Taurus Raging Judge

Discussion in 'SHOT Show Coverage' started by REAPER4206969, Jan 17, 2011.

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  1. 2GunsWest

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    I personally have no use for something like this, but I find the idea pretty cool.

    I do not get all the hate, though? Badmouth all you like, Taurus is laughing all the way to the bank. People do buy these and every person I have met or know that owns a judge loves theirs. I was tempted mighty fiercely myself after messing around with my buddies 3" judge.

    Someone mentioned bad business practice to release a firearm with no current manufacturer loading for it?

    Is it bad practice or jump starting their own agenda? At least 2 of the big names will be loading specialty buckshot, and possibly slug rounds for the 28 gauge monster. I personally think that's good practice and stimulation of the guns and ammo industry.

    Any manufacturer that makes new and interesting things to keep offering us MORE choice in the gun realm should be thanked, not shunned.

    And lo and behold, S&W is now copying Taurus designs? I think that says the Judge was a good idea.
     
  2. jerkface11

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    Are we 100% sure this thing is real though?
     
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    In terms of money making, what these companies exist to do, there is no question the judge was a good idea. It was a great idea in that respect.
     
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    Even though I agree, I've concluded that internet gun forums, and this one in particular, must simply be out of touch with the direction that the market is taking this industry. These things are obviously all the rage (pun), and there is such a mountain of money being made off of them right now, that other manufacturers are losing breath as they race to get their versions to the display counters. I ground my teeth when I was standing at a gun counter, and a group of college kids walked up and all wanted to look at the Taurus Judge. Now, I just stare at a fixed point on the wall, and get through it as best I can.
     
  7. Sam1911

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    I don't know that "out of touch" is the right phrase. I mean, it isn't like we're isolated from the trend and can't see it, can't process it, can't evaluate it.

    I think we just have a more specific focus here than the world of new gun buyers at large -- and certainly have a membership that is very highly skewed toward knowledgeable and discerning gun users for whom the blush of dazzled gun-fever has been tempered by their experiences (the model of one who spends more on ammo than on guns would most likely apply), and who tend to apply critical thinking and reasoning skills ueber alles, when establishing the merits of a new gun on the market.

    Does not wanting to install a huge spoiler wing on my Ford Focus make me "out of touch" with trends in cars? Not really. It makes me knowledgeable about how the car works, what it is FOR, and what value I'd derive from spending money on that addition.
     
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    It has been determined an illegal firearm for now at least, I am sure Taurus will try for an exemption but I doubt it will be granted. Right now the pistol is an NFA Destructive Device thanks to it's .550 bore. Federal law says any thing over 50 caliber is a DD. If they made it in a smooth bore it would be an AOW.

    Trying to get this classified as a sporting gun will be tough...lol.
     
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    maybe they are thinking that they should expand on a successful product.

    Personally I think that whole concept is silly. It is not a good 45 and it is not a good shotgun...but hey, it is their money.
     
  10. blackspyder

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    Let me ask this, before Taurus introduced the first Judge, where did they have to go?

    They have a 1911, M9(PT92 and the 800 series is based on the grip too IIRC), full size poly, compact poly, sub compact poly, mouse guns, snubby revolvers, medium revolvers, large revolvers. Sounds like a full line up to me, matter of fact sounds fuller then Glock, Sig, and S&W put together.

    So they came up with something that in reality is about as useful as the 500S&W, 50AE, and so on but still packs that "cool" factor. Besides if it gets college kids shooting then that's more gun owners who are here to help us.
     
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    Apparently, reports of the demise of the Raging Judge and the Ranch Hand have been greatly exaggerated. According to NRA.org and Gunsamerica.com, both are good to go.
    Beware internet rumors.

    gary
     
  12. natman

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    Could you favor us with some links?
     
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    The link does state that the Raging Judge will be out with "minor modifications".
    Just what are those "minor modifications"?
     
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    Website now shows that the thing is going to be classified as nfa, either a destructive device or short barreled shotgun and Taurus has withdrawn production.
     
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    WHAT website? The link two posts back from the NRA says the exact opposite.
     
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    Thanks, that's the most authoritative report on the subject I've read so far. I might quibble a bit and point out that americanrifleman.org is neither of the first cited links.

     
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    Today on Cheaper than Dirt.com, at the bottom of the announcement of the "Raging Judge" with pix, is a notice that the ATF has, in fact, determined after examining the gun at the Shot Show, that it falls under the NFA...and that Taurus has withdrawn plans to put it in full production.

    Click, Lycos.com, type in Raging Judge, pick Cheaper than Dirt's site, read. If they're wrong, don't blame me...it is right there.

    We had a guy in the shop yesterday who wanted to order one and we couldn't find a supplier...looked it up there and that is what we found.
     
  19. Sam1911

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    Interesting. I'm sure we'll have something official from someone sooner or later, but I agree with the NRA link's assessment that it would be exceptionally odd (as in, "wouldn't happen") for the Taurus to bring a brand new gun into the country and to the SHOT show, that had not been thoroughly reviewed by the BATFE before even being developed as a project, let alone imported and announced to the public.
     
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    Mainly because they feel the need to tell everyone that wants one how stupid they are and how much smarter they are for not liking it. Then they want to gripe about how it doesnt have any "purpose," though I dont remember that ever mattering. The purpose is to put a smile on the face of the shooter.
     
  21. PapaG

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    On a possibly related note, considering the circuit judge, my curiosity has me wondering how they will be perceived by DNR officials if one would take one of these things hunting. Under Illinois game laws, you cannot hunt birds with a rifle, you cannot use a firearm (shotgun) unless it is plugged to hold no more than three rounds, (not easily removed), and there are also limitations on allowable shot sizes for different game (i.e. no "slugs" on your person while hunting small game/birds, no shot when hunting deer, etc). Not related to this thread, I know, but interesting nonetheless.
     
  22. jerkface11

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    Exactly they would ask the ATF before they even started working on the first prototype. That or they are just clueless. They should have a rep on here.
     
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