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Taylor's .31 Remington Pocket Revolver

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  1. duelist1954

    duelist1954 Member

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    Oops...In the video I say this gun is made by Uberti, but it is actually made by Pietta. My apologies. In 1865, with the civilian market for big bore swamped with surplus Civil War handguns, Remington developed a pocket-sized .31 caliber revolver for the concealed carry market. Today Taylor's & Company in Winchester, Virginia offers a replica of this little pistol, made by Pietta in Italy. In this video I'll put it through its paces in both cap & ball mode, and with the optional cartridge conversion cylinder chambered for .32 S&W cartridges.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfwSKV3UuXk
     
  2. Crawdad1

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    I buy exclusively from Taylor's. I just bought a 1860 Army from them and the operation of the action is so smooth but not only that it has a trigger that is so good a Marine sniper would drool all over it.:)
     
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    Interesting video. Do you like this little gun? How would you rank it in relation to the Colt's 1862 Pocket Police.
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  4. duelist1954

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    I'd say I liked it better than the 1862 Colt, but not asa much as my Baby Dragoon. No concrete reason, I just really like the Baby Dragoon and I never bonded with the 1862 Police.
     
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    My understanding is that a chamber filled to the rim and crushed by a ball is about 12 grns (3F) in the .31 Rem and 15 grns in the .31 Colt. How much capacity does the .36 Colt Pocket have? Is the cylinder the same length as the .31?
     
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    rodwha, on my 62 Police the inside length of the chamber measured 1 1/16 of an inch deep. The inside length of the 49 Pocket's chamber measured only 15/16 of an inch deep.
     
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    I use 20 grains of 777 in my Pocket Police. Recoil is sharp with a 36 cal ball.
     
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    Where did you get the conversion cylinder? Kirst made one for a very short time before discontinuing them due to problems. I just went to Taylor's website but they show no conversion cylinders for the Pocket Remington. I enjoy watching you videos, I especially get a laugh out of your humorous comments. I had always wanted a Pocket Remington but for the price of a steel framed one and the conversion cylinder if can be found, I will just continue to buy IJ & H&R .32 S&W breaktops which are comparable in size. Can buy 4 or 5 of them for the price of a Pocket Remy setup. I still like my 36 & 44 Remingtons with their conversion cylinders.
     
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    I prefer the 1862 Colt Police much better. Had the remmie 31 years ago. Couldn't hit a person size target further than 50 ft.
     
  10. duelist1954

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    The conversion cylinder in the video came from Taylor's. It was a new product at SHOT this year. They haven't gotten it on the web site yet, but they should be in stock. See my article in the new Guns of the Old West ( summer 2013 issue) I have the stock number in the article.
     
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    treblig: Are the overall lengths the same on those cylinders?

    72coupe: Is 20 grns (3F?) a full chamber?
     
  12. Crawdad1

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    I'd have to check the overall length. I'm away from home for the week but Friday I'll measure them to make sure.
     
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    Rowda you know you just have to have one of those little remingtons,lol. Now that you cant find any .22 shells you just have to,lol.Just think how that tiny thing would feel snuggled down in your pants pocket or slid in your boot top,,,. You could dress one up with some mother of pearl grips and fill the roll engraving with gold leaf,,it would be a real chic magnet,lol.You would be on commercials sitting in a mexican cantina saying, "i dont always carry a gun, but when i do,i prefer Dos Remington"
     
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    kituwa: Indeed I do feel the need for one of those! But they just seem so useless. I keep telling myself it could be for those beginners, but a downloaded .36 Pocket would do well... Still, I can't stop eyeing it! :scrutiny:
     
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    Howell Old West Conversions has had the conversion cylinder on their website for around a year or there abouts

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    Looks to be 220.00 from Howell.Model OSRE63

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    Excellent as usual.

    I was sad not to see the chrono shots and milk jugs of water though.

    I was under the impression that the brass models of this gun came out in 1863, thus some people referring to these as 1863 Remingtons and confusing the .44 fans. I believe after 1865 a conversion cylinder in .32 S&W Rim-Fire was offered on the original all steel guns.

    I wonder if since you have the loading lever down anyway you might use it to drive out your .32 S&W cartridges with. You may need to reduce the width of the latch at the front of the lever very slightly as mine barely contacts the sides of the chambers on a C&B brass model from Pietta.

    A couple of folks that post on THR have commented that the loading lever linkage is the weak point of this design and is prone to breakage. They have recommended loading off the gun or having a replacement lever and plunger assembly pre fitted and available for range trips.

    I use CCI caps as that's what I can get and Number 11s are MUCH easier to get on and do stay on. You might find the tweezers from a Swiss Army Knife useful for helping you place caps on the nipples and getting them lined up for the final push into position.

    Again great work and keep them coming!

    -kBob
     
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    They are on the website now. www.taylorsfirearms.com/cartridge-conversions.html
     
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    According to Flayderman's Guide they were made from 1865 until 1873...don't know where the 1863 designation was cooked up. Similar accuracy to the 1858 Remington designation. Just a modern fiction.
     
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    Rodwa 20 grains by volume of 777 in 3f just leaves room for a .375 ball.
     
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    I always thought the "1858" came from the date of the Fordyce Beals patent (#21478) that the original Remington-Beals Army & Navy was based on. No? :confused:
     
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    Rodwah,I think of them like a black powder version of a ruger single six .22. Something to pop tin cans or maybe make the squirrles nervous.Not much noise and just needs a pinch of powder. The .36 cal. guns i think of as a .38 special, pretty nice small game gun and even good for callin in coyotes. Truthfully though,the .36 is really better in a lot of ways than a .31 because you can still load them with a pinch of powder and do the same thing and for most people they will fit your hand better than a lot of those tiny .31's. I do like the remington better than the small colts just because my finger doesnt fit in the tiny finger guard on the colt. That itty bitty remington should be just as accurate as a full size gun except you have a small sight radious. I want one bad, but i know my wife would just claim it as her's but thats ok too.
     
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    I want a Colt Pocket, but don't like all of the jamming problems I read about, which is part of the reason I like the little Remington. But I feel like, even with Triple 7 it may be nothing more than a mouse killer.

    I have smallish hands and stubby fingers so I'd likely be ok with either.

    I'd be ok with the .31 if I could replicate a .32 ACP. I'm afraid it wouldn't even be very effective against a dog though.
     
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    Rodha, just fill in the notch on the front side of the Colt's hammer with JB Weld, works like a champ and no cap jamming problems. The 62 Police is sleek and it is the perfect frame size for the 36 caliber ball it shoots.
     
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    And have a 4 shot pistol? If I had one and tried everything else to no avail I suppose I'd have no choice, but I'd prefer to be able to use all of the chambers. Somehow these worked well enough in the past or else Colt wouldn't have sold so many Pocket pistols.

    This is one of the reasons I like the idea of Remingtons better. Just wish there was a pocket model reproduction available.

    I want a Pocket Police/Navy bad enough that I'll have to figure it out. I've looked into some things, but it's not quite important yet...first is a .44 Remington and something for small game hunting!
     
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