Teacher Arrested After Bookmark Called Concealed Weapon

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That bookmark is legal to possess in VA as long as you don't carry it around. Carrying a blackjack has been outlawed by the Code of VA for a great many years.
I know one old timer who keeps a small collection at home. Some look like the bookmark, some are small with a cylinder of lead in one end and some have a flat lead disk in the end. John

Here's a blackjack for comparison.

www.ioffer.com/i/11-Inch-Blackjack-244033

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Now, if a highjacker without a gun tries to comandeer an airplane, he's probably gonna die.
A hijacker WITH a gun is probably going to die -- unless he has enough ammo to kill at least half of the passengers. Nothing to lose anymore; you've gotta figure you're dead if they get control of the plane. Without a gun, any hijackers are gonna be beaten to death in very short order.
 
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DoubleNaughtSpy, what on earth . . . . are you referring to Vana Haggerty? You've been misled.

Vana had an unlicensed gun? That wouldn't be a very impressive trick in Illinois, where guns are not licensed. Essentially, if you don't live in Chicago, your guns are unregistered by default, because there's nobody keeping a registry.

What she had was a perfectly legal pistol, which she was carrying in a perfectly legal manner. She was ACCUSED by police and prosecutors of carrying it illegally, but that wasn't true. She had a valid FOID card, the gun was unloaded, and it was inside a closed case (a fanny pack)--ALL of which was noted in the official reports of the arresting officers!
Illinois law specifically exempts people transporting a gun in that manner from prosecution. That's why they offered her a "deal" over and over and then dropped the case literally minutes before the trial began--they knew she hadn't broken the law.

Yes, I agree that the "paperweight" justification of the brass knuckles is a little weak, but then again, the ones she was selling WERE pretty far out of spec for the average actual brass knucks. More importantly, a law against fist weights of any type at all is incredibly stupid.

The final charge she faced was one of carrying a firearm on publicly-funded property (it was a county fair) without the written permission of the state. The catch on that one is that no one, including state officials, knew it was on the books. We held a small campaign of writing to state officials asking for permission to transport our guns on public roads, public lakes, public hunting grounds, etc. NOT ONE of the law-enforcement officers we asked for permission knew what we were talking about; we were called nuts and worse. But they were ready to throw Vana Haggerty in prison for not doing that--or so they wanted her to think. In reality, when it came down to it, they dropped that charge too because they knew no one would convict her of such a ridiculous thing as not writing a letter to ask permission.


Where did you get your information on that case, anyway? I'm genuinely curious who reported that Vana Haggerty had an "unregistered gun."

In case anyone wants to know, I've got 9 unregistered guns, along with about 200 unregistered knives and two unregistered electric drills. There are also several unregistered rocks and many, many unregistered sticks in my backyard. I am posting this from an unregistered computer.
 
Vana had an unlicensed gun? That wouldn't be a very impressive trick in Illinois, where guns are not licensed. Essentially, if you don't live in Chicago, your guns are unregistered by default, because there's nobody keeping a registry.>>>



Don


everything you said was spot on except for this one bit...
Jeff white could probaly put more input into this as I believe he is still a reserve leo in the town this occured in

If you have purchased a firearm in Illinois since the early 90's Illinois has a record (registered by default?) that the have kept throught the state police's foid card.

Ashcroft ordered gobbleyadik to destroy these records but the last I have heard the gov. filed suit to not do it......

jon
 
WHY isn't this lady suing the hell out of everyone involved here? She broke no laws, and she had nothing illegal. Neither State nor Federal prosecutors will even attempt to bring a case to court.

Her bookmark is sort of similar to a blackjack. But it's certainly NOT a blackjack. Are they going to arrest everyone with a metal fine-point pen, because it's illegal to carry an icepick?
 
"But it's certainly NOT a blackjack."

Is too. :)

Do you own any blackjacks? Ever handle one? I've been around them since I was a kid in the early 1950s.

Have you held the item in question? I have, at the bookstore. Tried it out on my hand, too. It hurt. My actual thought at that moment was, "I wonder if they're going to start selling bongs, too?"

These 2 items are the same...leather-covered lead, flexible, etc. I wonder where the 'inventor' got the idea for such a useful page holder?

John
 
These 2 items are the same...leather-covered lead, flexible, etc.
And I've got a Marc Cross icepick. Metal, pointy....

My blackjack is 14oz of lead on a stiff spring, wrapped in braided leather. A flat sap will have a similar weight and a flat spring encased in leather. The weighted bookmarks I've seen have an ounce of lead and no springs at all. They might make your hand sting but wouldn't break any bones, and I doubt you could knock someone unconscious with one.
 
This particular instance is as ridiculous as taking 83-year-old Joe Foss' Medal of Honor away from him at Phoenix, because it had sharp points and could be used to harm somebody.

WHAT?

Ohhh boy. Glad no younger servicepersons were around. The military would look unkindly at assaulting security personnel and inciting riot. That is, until they learned the complete story. :scrutiny:

(I assume so, because I'd expect any serviceperson to raise hell if he/she saw such an activity.)

Sorry, but the idea of taking away a vet's MOH makes my blood boil... Taking a medal away from an old grunt is way over the line, bordering on deeply insulting. :banghead:
 
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