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Ted Nugent and Paul Helmke on Glen Beck

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Redneck with a 40, Apr 17, 2007.

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  1. Redneck with a 40

    Redneck with a 40 Member

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    Ted Nugent was introduced first. I really like him, he is a first class guy. Ted basically said "when are we going to learn that victim dis-armament zones do not work? He said, how many episodes like this will it take? He also stated that some people in our society refuse to aknowledge that guns in the hands of the good guys is a good thing. I thought he made a very effective argument. The last point he made was this; there are hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of good citizens that will never be used in a crime.

    Paul Helmke was next, his argument is non-sensical. He basically said that since disturbed individuals can get guns so easily, we need to continue to enforce "gun free zones".:barf: :barf: He also implied that citizens are incompetant with guns, they only make a bad situation worse.:barf: :barf: I don't know about you, but if some lunatic is on a shooting rampage, I'll hedge my bets on a fellow citizen with a gun! What's the alternative? 32 people dead? Is this the price we are supposed to be willing to pay, to justify gun control?:barf: :barf: Paul still believes "victim disarmament zones" are the way to go.:barf:
     
  2. JAMES77257

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    I think it was crappy that they didn't let Ted reply to Pauls comments.
     
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    I saw that too. I also would have preferred Nugent had the last word instead of Helmke. Nonetheless, after Ted's say, Helmke came off sounding like a babbling teenager trying to debate a scholar simply because what Ted said is the truth and Helmke had nothing truthful to follow it up with.
    On the Dennis Miller radio show today, Helmke was on first, spouting his propoganda and Nugent, although emotional, disputed every point Helmke made. It was very satisfying to listen to.
     
  4. captaincaveman

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    I was very impressed with the way Uncle Ted handled himself. The Brady guy didn't look so good. He would have sounded better arguing that the sky is orange. Teds arguments, and what all of us have been saying for a long time, are just so full of common sense that there really is no intelligent way to debate it. But they keep trying, and the public keeps believing it. How many more time will this have to happen before people finally get it?:cuss:

    Josh
     
  5. Soybomb

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    While Ted Nugent may be a pro-gun guy, he isn't the most eloquent spokesman we have. To me it seems like someone is seriously stacking the deck when one side is argued by the president of the largest anti-gun campaign in the US, and the other side is left to be defended by a 60 year old rock star who likes gun.
     
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    stacked deck or not, that "president of the largest anti-gun campaign in the US" was grasping at straws, and The Nuge made some very good, very real points

    Josh
     
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    More accurately, The Nuge is a well-known celebrity with widespead appeal, good name recognition, and is even a LEO. Your description is far too simplistic and we should be happy to have him on our side.
     
  8. gunsmith

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    Ted decimated Bill Maher a few years ago

    and I like him.
     
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    I don't think the deck was intentionally stacked - the same fill in was on the previous night really pushing CCW, and Glenn himself is strongly pro RKBA. They prolly just figured ol' Ted could handle himself regardless. :)
     
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    Ted is a LEO but he is not really practicing last I checked. He also has a very spotty record when it comes to his personal life. I dislike Ted because he speaks with his emotions most of the time and comes across as a little to crude for my tastes. As well as I find him to be a hypocrite.

    I would rather someone like Tom Selleck was debated.
     
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    Tom Greham correctly described Ted this past weekend as the "Energizer Bunny" of the RKBA crowd. If some here don't find Ted to be the most articulate spokesman, or think him a hypocrite, what are they doing that is better?

    Sheesh, we not only shoot our own, we eat them. :fire:
     
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    He was on Dennis Miller and Beck's show? Are these guys going to do a nationwide tour together or something? :rolleyes: :)
     
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    Tim, I don't particularly like seeing the same two guys go over the same points on every show either, but it's better than Helmke being given free reign to spout his BS wherever he wants.
     
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    nico, that's fine, I just wonder if they had a little agreement to do the shows together, or if both shows independently thought they would be good spokesmen for a sensational debate to boost ratings. It's just kind of weird that they would both do 2 shows.
     
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    who knows. . . Everyone knows Helmke will be in front of every camera he can find after something like this. Maybe Nugent decided to solicit the media the way the gun grabbers have. I don't think he's the greatest representative of gun owners out there; I've seen him do a few things that I think make us look bad. But, he has a level of charisma that gets attention and he has been very eloquent in the last couple days from what I've seen. I don't think him going out there and making Helmke look like the empty suit he is is doing us a disservice.
     
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    "Kill it and Grill it" in Ted's words. :D

    I've seen Ted let the antis push him a little too far a few times, but what he said and the way he acted on Dennis Miller's show (I didn't see Beck's) did absolutely nothing negative. He handled himself very well. I don't think Selleck (and I really like him, too) or anyone else could have handled it better.
     
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    That's for me to know and not you!
    To bad Uncle Ted did not get to respond more.
     
  18. SSTHitman

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    Is there audio or video of this someplace?
     
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    There are lots of people working hard everyday for RKBA but don't get the press cause they aren't a USDA grade A nut job who learned a few simple guitar chords and stretched out one or two songs into a career and swings across stage in a loin cloth.

    The RKBA movement needs Ted Nugent as a spokeman just like blacks need Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

    All three are show boaters who's only interest is putting the spotlight on themselves.

    All three are a hugh detriment to the supposed causes they serve.
     
  20. Soybomb

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    I take new people shooting, write letters, call my reps and in short do whatever I can. If you can get me on tv in nugent's place I'd certainly step up although I'd recommend far better spokesmen than myself or the nuge. He has celebrity that I don't have, that doesn't mean I think he speaks well for us.

    I want the rkba crowd to lose thedumb redneck image that seems to plague it. To get a quick idea of how I think Nugent just buries us further in this lets just pull the quote from him off his wikipedia entry. It says he said this at the 2005 NRA conference:
    "Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em! To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and when they attack you, shoot 'em."

    Ymmv, but I think we make more progress with a less in your face representative. He very well may be a great supporter of the 2nd amendment, but I don't think our best spokesman is someone whose nickname includes the word madman.
     
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    I couldnt find audio or video of the show but here's a transcript

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0704/17/gb.01.html


     
  22. fiveoboy01

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    Why such the focus on the 33-rd mags by the antis?

    OK, I do know the question, it's to scare the sheep...

    But why don't people educate themselves? They'd realize that it takes 1 or 2 seconds to drop a mag and reload, and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference here if the shooter had a 10 round mag or a 200 round drum.
     
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    Lordy lordy, this is going in my sig (on forums where the issue is actually in question):

    "Part of the problem is, is these gun-free zones, they are not working either, because it`s so easy to walk out of that zone and pick up that .9- millimeter." - Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

    If even he admits that, why the hell haven't they been eliminated already? :scrutiny:
     
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    Because they can't go after handguns - even semi-autos - generally without alienating a much higher percentage of people than they already have. I'm sure once it came out the guy was using pistols and not a WASR or suchlike there was much weeping and gnashing of teeth over that brady headquarters. Tha magazine focus is just what they can salvage... something that looks kinda scary on the news, and that not enough people have to make it too dangerous to demonize.

    -K
     
  25. Tim James

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    Because the goal is a world-wide gun free zone. Then all the gun laws will work perfectly.
     
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