Stickjockey
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Tank Ride said:
Where did you get this figure? Destructive Device transfer tax is a one-time $200. Granted, ammo would be $200 tax per round, so it would still get expensive, and you're right on the BATF probe.
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Where did you get this figure? Destructive Device transfer tax is a one-time $200. Granted, ammo would be $200 tax per round, so it would still get expensive, and you're right on the BATF probe.
Monkeyleg
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Tank Ride, thanks for chiming in on this.
When you talk about $3.50 per mile as the transportation cost, is that actual cost for you or are you talking about a commercial trucking outfit? I'm certain I could find an indepedent trucker who would volunteer his services.
From your experience, could the owner help the winning bidder crush the car with the tank, or would the bidder need more training so as not to screw up?
What has been your experience with local governments? Have you or someone else had to go to the mayor/police chief/head flunky and let them know that you'll be firing your cannon? If so, have you had problems?
Apple a Day, if the tank thing just becomes too much of an obstacle, I think the idea of an artillery piece would be the second best choice.
One thing is for certain: this event, if it happens, is going to require a LOT of volunteers. We'll also need plenty of volunteers for picking up pieces of cars the next day.
When you talk about $3.50 per mile as the transportation cost, is that actual cost for you or are you talking about a commercial trucking outfit? I'm certain I could find an indepedent trucker who would volunteer his services.
From your experience, could the owner help the winning bidder crush the car with the tank, or would the bidder need more training so as not to screw up?
What has been your experience with local governments? Have you or someone else had to go to the mayor/police chief/head flunky and let them know that you'll be firing your cannon? If so, have you had problems?
Apple a Day, if the tank thing just becomes too much of an obstacle, I think the idea of an artillery piece would be the second best choice.
One thing is for certain: this event, if it happens, is going to require a LOT of volunteers. We'll also need plenty of volunteers for picking up pieces of cars the next day.
Auslander
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You could call Dangerous Bob or one of the other well known DD owners. He has the only 90mm AT gun in civilian hands in the US. He has a 3" naval guns on wheeled coastal defense mount as well.
AFAIK Tank rounds with non-explosive shot are not in and of themselves a DD. You can find lots of the M3 37mm AT guns around. You can find 1.65 Inch Hotchkiss Mountain Guns around too. Most large caliber DD's can be 'hand reloaded' in the field. You just use a light charge and a steel solid projectile.
Issues are range safety. The skips can go 12,000 yards so you need a really big back stop.
AFAIK Tank rounds with non-explosive shot are not in and of themselves a DD. You can find lots of the M3 37mm AT guns around. You can find 1.65 Inch Hotchkiss Mountain Guns around too. Most large caliber DD's can be 'hand reloaded' in the field. You just use a light charge and a steel solid projectile.
Issues are range safety. The skips can go 12,000 yards so you need a really big back stop.
Camp David
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Monkeyleg said:
Good intensions but problematic in execution...
Idea is already being done at Westbranch Gun Club in Princeton MN =>
See: TANK RIDE
"Tank Ride offers real tank rides in a Russian WWII army tank. After your ride in this Russian tank get ready for your machine gun shoot, submachine gun, machine gun, shoulder fired or mounted the choice is yours."
[apologies... I see this was already suggested]
I would contact local Military Bases and see if a ride in tank could be arranged though a National Guard unit... you couldn't afford insurance for what you are proposing!!!
Monkeyleg
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"Pretty much a dumb idea."
So far I've gotten a good reaction (not just on THR, but from talking with people on the phone).
The idea of a live shell, whether full metal or H.E., is out.
And, rather than having folks bid and one person being able to play with the tank, a friend suggested that we set a price that's as affordable as possible and let as many people as possible play with the tank.
Bear in mind, this whole idea is still in the feasibility study phase.
So far I've gotten a good reaction (not just on THR, but from talking with people on the phone).
The idea of a live shell, whether full metal or H.E., is out.
And, rather than having folks bid and one person being able to play with the tank, a friend suggested that we set a price that's as affordable as possible and let as many people as possible play with the tank.
Bear in mind, this whole idea is still in the feasibility study phase.
armoredman
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Look for an outfit called the Green Mountain Boys - I saw a video of them using a live Stuart. 37mm ain't much of a pop gun in the tank world, but it'll impress the civvies.
Yes, you can own live tanks in many states, if you want to pop for the cost of registering the gun - BTW, all German 75mm tank, and antitank, guns are NFA C&R qualified, as well...I would love to find an operable Panzer IVJ.
Yes, you can own live tanks in many states, if you want to pop for the cost of registering the gun - BTW, all German 75mm tank, and antitank, guns are NFA C&R qualified, as well...I would love to find an operable Panzer IVJ.
Monkeyleg
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Kentak, after giving this more thought, you and Jim Keenan are probably correct.
Last night I sat down and started thinking about the entire event: costs, number of volunteers required (huge), time, etc.
If I look at it in terms of return on investment, I don't think it's as good a fund-raising event as other ideas that have been suggested.
When I look at it in terms of the return per volunteer man-hour, it looks even less attractive.
It's a shame, since it would be a lot of fun.
Last night I sat down and started thinking about the entire event: costs, number of volunteers required (huge), time, etc.
If I look at it in terms of return on investment, I don't think it's as good a fund-raising event as other ideas that have been suggested.
When I look at it in terms of the return per volunteer man-hour, it looks even less attractive.
It's a shame, since it would be a lot of fun.
Stop Spanking the Monkey
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Give me a call 651-206-8369.
Yes cost of 3.50 per mile is commerical if you can arrange transport that works for me.
I need about 5 acres to run the tank well but can do it in a smaller area.
The "cannons" I have are nothing more then REALLY big propane nail guns minus the nail. I have never asked permission nor had a problem. I have contact the local Police to let them know I am stopping in town with a tank and not get worked up.
I am not sure what you have in mind here but I crush cars on a weekly base with the tank Its me and one employee. Not a lot of staff needed.
Chris Berg
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Monkey,
Give me a call 651-206-8369.
Yes cost of 3.50 per mile is commerical if you can arrange transport that works for me.
I need about 5 acres to run the tank well but can do it in a smaller area.
The "cannons" I have are nothing more then REALLY big propane nail guns minus the nail. I have never asked permission nor had a problem. I have contact the local Police to let them know I am stopping in town with a tank and not get worked up.
I am not sure what you have in mind here but I crush cars on a weekly base with the tank Its me and one employee. Not a lot of staff needed.
Chris Berg
WWW.Tankride.com
[email protected]
Monkeyleg
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Tank Ride, thanks for the follow-up reply.
A tank alone apparently isn't enough to draw people to a fund-raising shoot, although I'd thought that it would be enough of a draw for people who would spend maybe $50 or $100 on ammo, Tannerite, junkyard cars, burgers, hot dogs and other things to at least make the cost of the tank a break-even.
I question whether even that amount of money is possible.
When I talked with a couple of the core WCCA volunteers last night, we agreed that an event like this would require at minimum 50 volunteers: range safety officers; people to sell the tickets and record contributions; people to work the grills barbecuing burgers, brats and hot dogs; at least one volunteer independent trucker to haul the tank and pull whatever oversize load permits are required; people to buy and haul ammunition for all the various guns to the site, and then try to return the unused ammo; people to bring their exotic or semi-exotic guns to the event and help others shoot them; people to remove the gas tanks from junkyard cars and help transport them to the event; and, lastly, people who would come back the next morning and help clean up the mess, and help load pieces of blown-up cars onto trucks to be taken back to the scrapyard.
I just sent out an email last night asking everyone on our email list--which numbers anywhere from 4,000 to 40,000 recipients (numbers vary depending upon how many emails are forwarded)--to spend half an hour, an hour, two hours, or however much time they could afford outside the NRA convention distributing flyers for our July 18th fund-raising banquet featuring Massad Ayoob.
Four people volunteered. That's it.
I have some choice words to say, but I'll keep them to myself.
If I could be guaranteed 50+ volunteers to do all of the above and then some, and if I could be guaranteed that people would show up and spend $50 or $100 instead of $5 or $10, and if I could be guaranteed that volunteers would help in the enormous advance effort to put an event like this together...yeah, I'd still consider it.
After the response to last night's email, though, I just don't think there are enough people in Wisconsin who want concealed carry badly enough to do anymore than talk about it.
I know the WI folks here on THR are totally committed, so please don't take that as a slight.
Thanks to Jim Keenan and Kentak for pointing out the obvious.
A tank alone apparently isn't enough to draw people to a fund-raising shoot, although I'd thought that it would be enough of a draw for people who would spend maybe $50 or $100 on ammo, Tannerite, junkyard cars, burgers, hot dogs and other things to at least make the cost of the tank a break-even.
I question whether even that amount of money is possible.
When I talked with a couple of the core WCCA volunteers last night, we agreed that an event like this would require at minimum 50 volunteers: range safety officers; people to sell the tickets and record contributions; people to work the grills barbecuing burgers, brats and hot dogs; at least one volunteer independent trucker to haul the tank and pull whatever oversize load permits are required; people to buy and haul ammunition for all the various guns to the site, and then try to return the unused ammo; people to bring their exotic or semi-exotic guns to the event and help others shoot them; people to remove the gas tanks from junkyard cars and help transport them to the event; and, lastly, people who would come back the next morning and help clean up the mess, and help load pieces of blown-up cars onto trucks to be taken back to the scrapyard.
I just sent out an email last night asking everyone on our email list--which numbers anywhere from 4,000 to 40,000 recipients (numbers vary depending upon how many emails are forwarded)--to spend half an hour, an hour, two hours, or however much time they could afford outside the NRA convention distributing flyers for our July 18th fund-raising banquet featuring Massad Ayoob.
Four people volunteered. That's it.
I have some choice words to say, but I'll keep them to myself.
If I could be guaranteed 50+ volunteers to do all of the above and then some, and if I could be guaranteed that people would show up and spend $50 or $100 instead of $5 or $10, and if I could be guaranteed that volunteers would help in the enormous advance effort to put an event like this together...yeah, I'd still consider it.
After the response to last night's email, though, I just don't think there are enough people in Wisconsin who want concealed carry badly enough to do anymore than talk about it.
I know the WI folks here on THR are totally committed, so please don't take that as a slight.
Thanks to Jim Keenan and Kentak for pointing out the obvious.
U.S.SFC_RET
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Speaking about tanks. When you are in an M1 and firing it it's not too loud at all. I was in a convoy when an M1 tank (67tons combat weight) ran over a car and the crew didn't know it, except for the gunner who thought he heard some glass break. If you want to see some tanks come to the Aberdeen proving ground Museum in Maryland. You can sign yourself on the post and they will let you on.
when its your tank the sound is traveling out away from you since you are the center. When you really hear it is when your bore sighting and the tank next to you fires. Thats the zinger. Plus If your like me loved being a delta everytime we did a platoon battle run at the end of a gunnery I went uncoverd with my head up so I could "see the show" or FEEL it. when our turret was traversd to the left to make it easier for the TC (M60A1E1) to engage a target with his M-85 ALL his hot brass and links poured down on me.
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