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Tempted to buy a Glock 23

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Benzene, Dec 30, 2010.

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  1. Benzene

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    I was in a local gun shop today and looked rather closely at a Glock 23 Gen 4. I like the feel of the gun. But another customer remarked that that particular kind of gun is a "bomb in the hand" and that to prevent such an explosion I would have to spend another sum of money to replace the barrel.

    I've read about the unsupported chamber issue, etc. But I'm still tempted to buy the Glock. Thanks for your suggestions.
     
  2. jem375

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    OK, you should know that is total BS by now.....
     
  3. JDGray

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    Glock has tightened up their chambers since the KB days, the brass I find at the local FOP range, no longer has the "Glock belly";)
     
  4. marksman13

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    Buy mine. No, seriously, what high dollar pistol did he recommend instead? If I'm not mistaken Glock has fixed that issue. My 23 has been fine. I am selling it or trading it though for something that fits my hand better.
     
  5. george d dennis

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    i have a glock 23 and its works great. also i believe the fbi uses them.
     
  6. GJgo

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    It's fine with new factory ammo. I used to have a 23, and also a 32 barrel for it- 2 guns in one! (To be fair though, the 23 barrel didn't get much use once I figured out how awesome 357 Sig is.) If it were me, and I wanted to handload for it, I'd probably still get an aftermarket supported barrel. Just my $0.02.
     
  7. sigma 40ve

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    I personally don't own a 23. However, that is on my "short list" to purchase. I do own 8 Glocks, one of which is a G19 which is the same size. I have a second gen G22 and have a 357 Sig and a 9mm barrel for it. That's one option you have with the G23 also, it's like 3 pistols in one. All that is needed is a 9mm magazine for the 9mm conversion barrel. Some say you need to change the ejector, with the 9mm barrel, I never have and have had zero issues. The 40 magazine can be used for the 357 conversion barrel. I don't worry about the KB thing with my Glocks.

    In fact the second gen G22's were suppossed to be the worst "culprit" for it. I bought mine 8 years ago as a LE trade in from AIM. Unknown round count, although it looked almost new. Thousands of reloads and factory rounds later, no issues. Sorry, didn't mean to highjack/wonder off the original question. Just trying to stress the fact that I personally wouldn't have any issues with the G23. I wonder if the "nay sayer" in the shop ever held/fired a Glock before, or was just going off the reports on the internet?
     
  8. Benzene

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    Thanks, many!!!

    Thank you so very much for setting my mind at ease and helping me to decide to return to the shop early in the morning and picking up that Glock 23.

    The statement, "Glock has tightened up their chambers since the KB days, the brass I find at the local FOP range, no longer has the "Glock belly" " was extremely useful because it makes an objective point. Thanks, JDGray. But every one of the replies was very useful.

    I did come home and googled "Glock kabooms", as the guy suggested. And I was concerned. But I think I now know better. Plus, I contacted a good friend of mine who's in the FBI's SWAT team, and he simply said, "Glock's the best!"

    For what's it's worth, I did ask the guy how much PRACTICAL experience he had with Glocks, and he said, "I would not TOUCH one of those things." In a very friendly manner "he recommend instead" that I buy the Sig Sauer P250 (nice little compact weapon).

    Thanks for helping me make the decision to go get the Glock.
     
  9. Beach Nut

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    The Glock 23 will be the next Glock I buy. I have the 21 SF and the 26
    so I need a mid size Glock with a mid size caliber. I've heard nothing but
    good things about the 23 and if it works as well as my 3rd generation
    21 SF and 26, I'll be very happy with it.
     
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  11. rooter

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    You are not alone...I hear alot of useless hogwash there too.
     
  12. GLOOB

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    Glocks are so popular, they sell themselves. The dealers that get the best prices/markups on Glocks are the ones who do the largest volumes. Smaller dealers don't get the same incentive, but they'll sure stock them - so they can get you in the door and try to sell you something else. There's so much good information available to you, it shouldn't sway your decision when a gun dealer starts acting like a used car salesman.
     
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  13. kmbrman

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    As many Glocks as Hickock45 shoots ,he likes his 23, by his own admission, the best. Also major LE agencies are using them with no problems to speak of.
     
  14. Benzene

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    Gattcha!! Too late now...

    Thanks, all. It's too late now for me to revisit that shop and pick up a Glock 23.

    Hey, but one last point, please: The guy also knocked some 4th Generation "recoil spring" being too stiff and easily dislodged. Any weight to that? Thanks.
     
  15. REAPER4206969

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    I recommend the GEN3 BTW.
     
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    Not sure what generation my 23 is, but I like it. Bought mine about a year ago, did not shoot it much until recently. It seemed a little stiff at first, now I am liking how it feels. Trigger pull is a little long, I have contemplated getting a trigger job on mine.

    I had one stovepipe with mine, first time I shot it, and I did not clean and lube it before shooting. Nice gun.
     
  17. JDGray

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    Benzene,
    You'll like the 23.... mine out shot my 19, and shoots right with my new 21SF RTF2. The dual recoil set up in the gen4s, has alot of people talking, but I understand it can be replaced with the old tried and true single spring set up, if it gives you problems. The only Glock KB I've witnessed, was in a buddies Gen 2 G17. He was shooting commercial reloads, and may have been a setback issues or flat out overload, but the only damage was to his pride, and a small burn on his trigger finger. The gun was fine despite spitting the magazine out! Looked to me like the feed ramp had some work done to it, entering the chamber just a bit to far.
     
  18. Benzene

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    Gen 3, then.

    Thanks a big bundle, JDGray, for your informed opinion. I might visit some other shops to locate a GEN 3 Glock 23, then, so as to get "the old tried and true single spring set up". Or I might just get the GEN 4 and hope for nothing of the kind that "has alot of people talking". :)
     
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    This guy at the store is an idiot. Glock doesn't sell millions and millins of handguns because they blow up. My 23 has thousand of rounds thru it. I have a Gen3 23 and Glock is the ONLY gun I would put my life on.
     
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    I just bought a Glock generation 4 Mod. 23. The only issue I have is that one of the 2 mags will only hold 12 rounds. I'm sure this is highly unusual and I will have no problem getting a replacement mag. I haven't fired it much, but so far I like it. Having never owned a Glock, the trigger will take time to adjust to. I'm really looking forward to some serious range time with it. It will most likely be my primary carry replacing my old 2003 Kimber BP Pro Ten II. The size and weight are an advantage for carry imo.
     
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    I have a Gen 3 G23 that doesn't skip a beat, I will never part with it. I did buy the Lone Wolf 9mm drop in barrel that is awesome too. Recently I bought some of the Korean (KCI) G19 mags for the 9mm barrel and all six of the mags worked great.
     
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    I have owned a G23 since about 1992 and have had absolutely no problems and the only gun I have considered replacing it with is a Gen 4 G23. I own a Gen 4 17 and absolutely love it and I am surprised at how much stiffer the spring is in the Gen4 than the old G23. I do not believe there is a problem with any Gen 4 .40 cal guns. Apparently the Gen4's were designed around the .40 round and this is what is supposedly behind the issues with the Gen4 9mm's as the original spring may have been too stiff initially for reliable firing of light loads.

    The idea of any properly maintained Glock being a bomb in the hand is just simply ludicrous. If that were true I guess somewhere there must be a tremendous amount of hidden maimed cops being kept quiet considering how many LE agencies use Glocks. There is an issue with shooting lead bullets in pistols with Polygonal rifling like Glocks have, so they recommend not using lead but it can be used if the gun is cleaned properly to remove lead buildup.

    In my opinion, there is not a better concealed carry handgun than the G23 in whatever flavor you choose to buy. Unless you prefer lighter recoil, then the G19 works well. Give one a try! I suspect you may like it.
     
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    This doesn't really change my belief that there isn't a PROBLEM with Gen 4 .40cal guns. The first link you provided had one person with a problem, asking for others who have had problems and came up with exactly one more person. Is it a problem that there particular gun has malfunctions? Yes, it is. The second guy who posted promised to get back and report on his gun after the Christmas season and has failed to do so. I suspect if he has fired it since then and it had failed miserably he probably would have posted back. I wish he would. I want to know.

    It is almost comical that you posted the second link as another sign of problems considering that it was exactly ONE FTE! And he offered up the very real possibility that he had limp-wristed the gun due to injury on the trigger finger. Even if it wasn't that, there is no evidence that it was not a lame round. This is just silly! And he too has not posted again saying the problem has continued.

    The fact is, I bet if you go back to the original introduction of .40S&W Glocks, there were just as many or more problems. I also bet that when they went to the Gen 3 guns, there were people who had problems too.

    I hope the OP will give one a try. In the unlikely chance that there is a problem, Glock will fix it. Just as any other manufacturer would.
     
  25. GLOOB

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    Don't you guys know by now? The problems are invented and disseminated by people who make money selling other guns.
     
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