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Texans! Stop SB905!

Discussion in 'Activism' started by TexasBill, May 14, 2011.

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  1. TexasBill

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    I posted this the other day and it disappeared. Not sure why, it seems to meet all the requirements for this topic. Anyway, here goes....

    Senate Bill 905 was passed 25-6 in the Texas Senate and sent to the House. SB905 would allow state and federal legislators, statewide elected officials, federal and state judges, district and county attorneys and non-commissioned employees of the Department of Public Safety who possess Texas Concealed Handgun Licenses to carry their weapons in churches, bars and at sporting events, places off limits to citizens with CHLs.

    I can't support SB905 even though Dan Patrick, the conservative Republican senator who represents my district and for whom I voted, was one of the authors.

    The claim, voiced by Sen. Patrick, is that legislators, judges, statewide elected officials and others, like non-commissioned employees of the Department of Public Safety, are high-profile targets for assassins. For some reason, the Governor, city mayors, elected municipal and county officials and non-sworn employees of the state's municipal police and county sheriff departments are not - at least, they're not included.

    Let's look at the true dimension of the threat: Since 1815, exactly 19 people who would qualify under SB905 have been assassinated in the United States. One was in Texas (John Woods, a federal judge, killed by a hitman for a Mexican drug lord in 1979). Ten of those happened in the period from 1871, when the Texas Legislature stripped the citizens of Texas of the right to legally carry a handgun at all, until 1995, when George W. Bush signed a limited restoration of those rights under strict state control. That's ten in the entire country; I'll bet a lot more than ten Texan citizens were murdered in that period who would have been alive had they or another citizen been able to legally carry a handgun. Come to think of it, we lost twice that many in one day at Luby's in 1991!

    To put the numbers in another perspective, whooping cough, scarlet fever and malaria are very rare in the United States. Yet more Americans died of those diseases in 2007 alone than all federal and state legislators and judges assassinated in the last century.

    Here's another kicker: Not one of these assassinations took place in a location that would be authorized by SB905. Most happened either in the victim's home or at the victim's place of work. The attack on Gabrielle Giffords, in which federal judge John Roll was killed, took place in a supermarket parking lot in the middle of the morning. Had it happened in Texas, not even a CHL would have been required for armed intervention; Texans can carry a concealed handgun in their personal vehicle without a permit.

    Unless the House adds an amendment extending the same expansion of permitted carry to all CHL holders, SB905 needs to end its days in the House, without passage. This is sheer, naked elitism and self-serving on the part of our elected officials: the so-called justification does not hold water, even under the most cursory examination. Some of the Senators voting against SB905 said legislators should not be giving themselves privileges they wouldn't give all citizens and they are right.

    SB905 is scheduled for public hearings on Tuesday, May 17. If you are in Austin, a visit to the State Capitol might be worthwhile. In the meantime, you should contact your Texas State Representative (Click here to find out who your Representative is) and left them know you oppose SB905 as passed by the Senate. Tell them the language needs to be extended to cover all Texans with Concealed Handgun Licenses or the measure needs to be defeated.
     
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    so you wish to limit a class of citizens the right to carry at certain places because you are not included? i would be happy for those guys, and look forward to the day, it was voted in for the rest of us.
     
  3. TexasBill

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    Yup. Especially when that class of citizens willingly ran for and spent gobs of money to win the offices they occupy. The risks were there when they ran; they haven't changed.

    It's worth noting that the Senator who is championing campus carry in Texas voted against not only SB905 but against the suspension of the rule that allowed it to be fast-tracked. He believes, as I do, that legislators should not vote themselves privileges they are not willing to extend to the citizens of the state.

    Also noteworthy is the fact that several Senators who opposed legislation allowing campus carry and employee storage of firearms in an employer's parking lot voted in favor of themselves being allowed to carry in bars (it's already legal for a CHL holder to carry in a restaurant that serves alcoholic beverage as long as it gets less than half its revenue from non-liquor sales), churches and public events.

    So, call me a radical if you will, but I am opposed to our legislators treating themselves better than they treat their constituents. And I don't want to feel like Oliver Twist, bowl in hand, begging Mr. Bumble for more food.
     
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    i would not call you a radical but i do feel you have failed to reason this through.
     
  5. GEM

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    No, the reasoning is correct. It is similar to Peter King trying to ban carry around Congresscreatures but being fairly antigun himself.

    Expansion of right to an elite is really not an expansion of rights. Nor is it predictive of expansion to the regular folks.
     
  6. TexasBill

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    On the contrary, I believe I have been very objective. I researched the subject to see if there was a significant threat that justified the legislation and there was none. If there was a credible threat, it is only the same one that is a threat to the citizens of Texas, too.

    And if the fact that legislators who voted against an expansion of gun rights for those who hold concealed handgun licenses (campus carry and parking lot storage) but voted for an expansion for themselves doesn't set you off, I am honestly quite concerned for you. Perhaps we in Texas don't trust our politicians as much as the folks in Nebraska do. SB905 looks like we have a valid reason for that.
     
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    Birdshot8's is clearly missing the point. We as citizens can't let these people get elected and subsequently give themselves rights that we the law abiding citizens don't get. It's obvious that they see themselves as better than the average citizen and frankly it's ridiculous. I can't see why anyone except these lawmakers would support this. They won't be passing these rights on to you anytime soon.
     
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    I already saw that one. Let's put it another way: If you've had your CHL for 14 years continuously, you can have the same privileges as a first-term Texas legislator. Oh boy!

    If that's their idea of a "sea change," gimme some Dramamine!
     
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    Quote: "If you've had your CHL for 14 years continuously, you can have the same privileges as a first-term Texas legislator. Oh boy!"

    Not that I like the bill either, but the pending amendment could be very significant for roughly 200,000 current license holders if it removes 6 of the 7 prohibited locations in the original 1995 46.035 amendement to 46.03. And a major stepping stone toward removal of other restrictions in 2013 and beyond.
     
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    I live in Texas and I agree with it. It seems like that would eventually pave the way for the rest of us eventually.
     
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    Thank you.
    Email sent to my Rep.
     
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    NOT.
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    CHANCE.
    There is next-to-nothing in the way of priveleges afforded to police officers that have been afforded to me later down the road. If there are any at all, there's no argument to be made that they are a result of cops getting it first. Priveleges tend to stay just that...priveleges, for priveleged people.
     
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    Sounds like my 8 year olds argument. " if I can't do it I don't want them to either"
     
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    You don't want them to create "new nobility" by giving themselves rights that are restricted from the people. That's how oppressive governments start, by giving themselves rights and privileges not afforded to the people. Politicians are civilians, and they should not be granted greater legal rights than their constituents.
     
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    I see where the argument is but I would rather there be at least one good guy with a gun around if there was a problem.
     
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    Agreed
     
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    Churches are not off limits to CHL holders, haven't been for several years.
     
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    Let me give you an idea of the Legislature's idea of "eventually."

    1871: The Act of April 12 is passed, stripping Texans of the right to carry handguns.

    1995: Governor George W. Bush signs legislation allowing Texans to apply for a concealed handgun license. For the first time in 124 years, Texas citizens have an affirmative defense to arrest for unlawful carrying of arms.
     
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    Confucius say trip of 1,000 miles begins with a single step. Pass this now and we work towards changing the law next session to extend the law to more citizens. About 200,000 will qualify under the proposed amendment.
     
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    Zi gong (a disciple of Confucius) asked: "Is there any one word that could guide a person throughout life?"

    The Master replied: "How about 'shu' [reciprocity]: never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself?"

    From the Analects of Confucius.
     
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    This! If you dont understand this you are part of the problem that is giving these guy's more and more power as the years roll on. Thanks for making this post!!
     
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    FROM: http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=45048 (page 8)

    Paragrouper wrote:
    Charles L. Cotton wrote:
    Folks, I am not saying to support SB905; nor am I saying you should tell your Representative to support SB905, if the Kleinschmidt amendment is attached. All I'm saying is ask your Rep. to support the Kleinschmidt amendment. There's a very big difference!

    Chas.
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    I think Charles' statement says it all. He did not ask us to support or oppose the bill, but to accomplish a very limited action. 'Why' is apparently not for public consumption at this time.

    I'm in.
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    Thank you!! I can't give any more hints than this folks. But as Pararouper noted, I've never said to support SB905 with or without the Kleinschmidt Amendment. In fact, I've said I don't like SB905 either! It's the Amendment that is important. (I've said too much already.)

    Chas.
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    I know not the specific strategy, but knowing Chas' accomplishments on behalf of Texas gun owners, also DO trust his judgement on this.
     
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    The classic line from Orwell's Animal Farm clearly applies in this situation: "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...". If the elected officials believe themselves to be a privileged class, whose rights, life and safety are more valuable than mine, and thus worthy of the protections afforded by concealed carry in locations where the rest of us plebians are not afforded these protections, then let them be honest and say "We are better than you, and we are entitled to more rights than you". then see how that plays in the next election cycle.
     
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    i did not see anything in the bill to limit anyone from an eligible public office or getting a job as a support person with DPS.
     
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