Texas proposes alcohol sales at some gun shows

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bobson you gonna get blitzed, why would you think everyone else would?
profound logic.
I never said "everyone" would get drunk; but offering alcohol at any venue and pretending people aren't going to get hammered is moronic.

My point was simply, just because some people break the rules doesn't mean we change the rules to make it okay.

I think that should have been a fairly elementary deduction. I guess you missed it. Your use of the word logic was cute, by the way. ;)
 
I never said "everyone" would get drunk; but offering alcohol at any venue and pretending people aren't going to get hammered is moronic.

So why don't we just outlaw alcohol completely? It worked so well last time...
 
"AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - A Texas agency wants to allow alcohol sales at gun shows that meet certain requirements, including not allowing live ammunition."

Isn’t that one of big selling items at gun shows?
 
Bobson said:
Bobson said:
Do you think for a minute everyone that walks in the door at a gun show is sober?
Or not doing drugs in the parking lot before coming right on in?
So the fact that some people booze up and smoke crack in their cars before going into the show is adequate justification for officially authorizing everyone to get blitzed while handling firearms? Seems like shaky logic.
bobson you gonna get blitzed, why would you think everyone else would?
I never said "everyone" would get drunk; but offering alcohol at any venue and pretending people aren't going to get hammered is moronic. My point was simply, just because some people break the rules doesn't mean we change the rules to make it okay.
So why don't we just outlaw alcohol completely? It worked so well last time...
What? Were you drunk when you wrote this? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

You were the first one to suggest a fresh prohibition, and the way you offered it as a response in no way defeats, strengthens, or even addresses the post you replied to, or anything that came before it.
 
"If the beer costs as much at gun shows as everything else, I doubt if many will get drunk."

Ain't that the truth. Last show I attended a double cheeseburger, fries, pop was $13.50. If they sold beer there it would probably have been $10 a can.
 
I know we have a different culture on alcohol, but in Belgium, every shooting range serves alcoholic beverages, with no problem at all as long as I can remember.

There is one rule: you can't drink before you are done shooting and weapon and ammo are back in your storage bagg, but, in general people aren't to strict about that.

I know a lot of shooters who have one or two beers before a match. Helps them to calm their nerves a little. (it is considered doping)

I also have some pictures from switserland, were, at the shooting fests, after the match, the fully automatic stg90 goes with the people in the beertent and are stacked next to the table in a nice piramid, and of course, nothing goes wrong.
 
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If it was my "land of the free"
i would definitely want the freedom
to decide wether i am having a beer while
browsing the tables of stuff.


But i am german.
What do i know about freedom.
Or beer.
 
Don't like the idea only from the standpoint of "Public image" but with that said not against it either. I would be no more worried about someone getting plasterer at a gun show then the guy in a car next to me at a stop light.

I also won't buy a brick of 22 for high dollar either so serve some beer...maybe my wallet will be more likely to become lighter...lol
 
But i am german.
What do i know about freedom.
Or beer.
Mp7,

The United States went through a terrible time early in the last century called "Prohibition" in which we tried a national experiment to blame all the ills of society on alcohol, and outlawed it as a scapegoat through which we thought we would drive out our demons.

Even in the most enlightened areas, many of our social attitudes and our laws still bear the black, bilious imprint of those times. So while almost all of us will say we enjoy various kinds of alcoholic beverages, there is an underlying guilt and distrust just beneath the skin that has been handed down from our Victorian great (and great-great) grandparents. Many parts of the country still have "blue laws." Some states still have "dry" counties. It is actually ILLEGAL to even give a low alcohol-content beer to any person under 21 years of age. (Though we can force them to carry a machine gun and die in a war at 18.)

Among gun folks (who will swear they'll die for freedom) this attitude lingers in the statements we make about our own "zero tolerance" attitudes, how we need laws to keep people from carrying guns to a restaurant that serves alcohol because we just can't trust ourselves not to <fill in some heinous crime here> because they've been overtaken by Demon Rum.

Last year we had a minor squabble here at THR when one member got outraged with another who'd posted a picture of himself enjoying a beer next to his campfire late at night after a long day on the trail, and there was a rifle in the picture. (Yeah, that's it. Just HAD a rifle nearby.) Anytime someone mentions alcohol and guns in the same paragraph, there will be a negative reaction of some kind.

We are pretty funny people, sometimes, but we take ourselves very seriously because we're secretly very fearful.
 
@Sam

Having lived in a dry county in KY, that just recently
has voted itself "wet" ... i do know that history.

Still the fact that people are allowed to drive and have guns
earlier than they are being trusted to intoxicate themselves
.... does not fit with my logical thinking.

But hey.... i did not see much in the US
that had anything to do with logical thinking :D

*runsaway*
 
But hey.... i did not see much in the world
that had anything to do with logical thinking

Seems more realistic that way. Everybody's crazy. We all just get stupid about different things in different ways. :)

Having lived in a dry county in KY, that just recently
has voted itself "wet" ... i do know that history.
Ahhh, good to know! KY does come to mind as a place that has such a muddled history with alcohol that it would be unbelievable to most folks who aren't from here. Imagine if Bordeaux had outlawed consumption of wine for several hundred years.
 
No live ammunition and the firearms have to be disabled and not readily converted for use would mean it isn't a gunshow. Zip tying firearms won't qualify as "not readily converted for use" and what gunshow doesn't have live ammunition for sale?
 
From the AP story on the proposed Texas rule: "Under current rules, if a gun show is held at a venue licensed to sell alcohol, drinks sales and consumption are suspended during the time it takes to set up, conduct and dismantle the gun show."

For all I know, that could mean that they want to allow the restaurant or concession stands at the venue where the gun show is held, to do business as usual. I don't think it means selling alcohol in the gun show itself as some posters seem to assume.

I also see the restrictions on alcohol sales at gun shows proposed in Texas to be the kind of restrictions intended to be onerous enough to nix the idea.


The gun shows I have attended have been at locations that had concession stands where food and beverages were sold: the Fair Grounds, the Civic Auditorium, and the Convention Center, consumed in a dining area set aside on the Auditorium stage and in the Center lobby facing the Center's concession stand. (The concession stand at the Auditorium was set up by the gun show and could not have a liquor license to sale alcolohol.) I believe the restaurant at the Convention Center has a liquor license and serves alcohol with meals, but I seem to recall you could not enter the gunshow from the restaurant side.

I have not seen alcohol consumption at a gun show locally, so I suspect a no-alcohol rule is followed whether it is the law locally or not.

That said, I do find it strange that people believe one would only drink alcohol to get a "buzz" on or get "hammered", or that people who drink alcohol all drink to the level of impairment or recklessness. Some people drink wine or beer with food, or have an after-dinner drink, like civilized human beings exercising self control and individual responsibility. In other words, they act like most gun owners I know.

And I grew up in a county that was "dry" from 1953 to 1968. The kind of people who want to get "hammered" are gonna smuggle their own hotch into an alcohol-free environment anyway. Or get their "buzz" on in the parking lot.
 
I have no problem with it but I do think security would need to be tighter and more willing to toss someone. I don't drink anymore, other than maybe a glass of wine at a business dinner, but I think MOST people drink responsibly and would have a beer as they walked around and then go home. Unfortunately it doesn't matter what MOST people do as it only takes one drunk with a gun to cause a problem. I DO NOT think this is about anything having to do with increased gun sales but probably more about the vendor that handles alcohol seeing all those customers wandering around and not being able to "tap" into that revenue.
I am completely against the drinking age of 18 for several reasons. A 35 year old drunk is no more responsible than an 18 year old drunk. We ask our young people to fight in wars but they can't legally have a beer after the battle. Teenagers can legally perform in pornographic movies at 18 but can't drink a glass of wine with dinner. The list goes on and on. Most of the consumption laws in this country are asinine. That does NOT include the driving laws. I am pretty much okay with severe penalties for drinking and driving as well as low BA levels.
 
This story is being wildly misreported. The proposed rule change has zero to do with what is commonly called a "gun show".

"The proposed change, which was announced Friday and is open to public comments for 30 days, would allow locations that are owned or leased by government or nonprofit organizations, and which only show or display guns “occasionally,” to to sell alcohol during those events as long as they meet three conditions: There can be no live ammunition in the facility; all guns must be “disabled and not readily convertible for use,” and no guns sold can be delivered to buyers on the premises.

The proposed rule would also allow alcohol sales at historical reenactments that involve firearms, as long as the firearms are historically accurate and kept unloaded or loaded with blanks."


This would effect something like the Hunters Extravaganza held in Fort Worth or other similar trade shows that aren't actually gun shows but may contain firearms for other purposes than sale.

http://www.texastribune.org/2014/08/08/new-commission-rules-would-allow-alcohol-gun-shows/
 
Post #19.....

If you sell alcoholic beverages there will be patrons or customers who will imbibe(drink) to excess. :rolleyes:
Alcohol is a depressant too. Do you want a highly intoxicated gun show patron near firearms or weapons? :eek:

As for the "hey so what" posts, I say look at nearly any NFL stadium on game day or college football game arena during "tailgating". There's many, many intoxicated fans or people who drank a bit too much.
Should these gun show patrons then say: "hey, let me roll out my debit card & buy 15 guns"? :rolleyes:

RS
 
Should these gun show patrons then say: "hey, let me roll out my debit card & buy 15 guns"?

Why the heck not?

ONE MORE TIME:

"There can be no live ammunition in the facility; all guns must be “disabled and not readily convertible for use,” and no guns sold can be delivered to buyers on the premises."

So if guns were even sold at these "gun shows" (which really aren't), they'd be deactivated. I guess you could make the argument that all these raging drunks would then use them as clubs to bonk each other over the head with, but otherwise this just a great example of our juvenile hand-wringing over demonic possession by alcohol. Somebody mentions guns and alcohol in the same post and our collective bowels loosen.
 
The proposed change appears to be directed at allowing concessions to make the more profitable beer, wine, mixed drink sales available, but under specific circumstances where firearms are on display as opposed to "real" gun shows.

Remember that a lot of events may have a display of significant firearms and this is the focus. Heck, every annual Friends of the NRA auction dinner has these and you wouldn't want the caterer or concessions to be prohibited from selling drinks.
 
Having alcohol sales at a gun show with no ammunition sales is not something that would interest me. I have found some great deals on ammo at gun shows and I wouldn't want to lose that opportunity just so they can have an open bar at the show.
 
Back when Austin gun shows were in either the basement of the city auditorium or in the now-gone coliseum, a concession booth sold beer along with hot dogs, chili and chips/cheese. I don't recall any problem that was beer-related in some thirty or more shows I did there.

Prices were a bit high, so most of us dealers brought our beer in coolers.
 
The big gun shows in Reno had live ammo AND alcohol (and food) sales - So what? Someone having a beer with their hotdog does not a barroom brawl make - they never had any issues either.
 
I've done lots of shows with beer and sometimes mixed drinks available. The worst I recall is myself making iffy purchase and sale decisions after having a couple three bloody marys at the Reno show (it is after all in a Casino) and a fella in Portland spilling his screwdriver onto the stock os an absolutely beautiful Bastogne walnut stocked m-14. About 18 hours of work due to that one.

Still, it's not anything new in the industry and it's not like a bunch of drunks are wandering around a coliseum with loaded guns and children.

If the added revenue to the venue - which is significant - helps to support the continued existence of the show... I say, bring on the hootch!
 
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