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Text of Proposed Coburn Amendment to S.649

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Bartholomew Roberts, Apr 20, 2013.

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  1. gc70

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    Neither am I. And neither are the gun grabbers.

    Gun control advocates have not changed their position, but they have repackaged it to make it more attractive to the public. Their mantra of "we don't want registration or to take away guns, we only want to make sure the wrong people don't get guns" is a total lie, but it is a 5-second sound bite that people hear and it resonates with the public. Most people tune out our side's 5-minute factual rebuttal shortly after it begins.

    The Coburn amendment has no chance of passing in the Senate; Schumer has already told us that by rejecting it. But the Coburn amendment or a more pro-2A version has the potential to change the terms of the debate, change public perception, and force gun control advocates to show their true intentions.

    "No" is not a winning PR plan or political strategy. We need to claim the high ground in the debate, take the fight to our opponents, and put them on the defensive.
     
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    "We don't want registration or to take away guns, we only want to make sure the wrong people don't get guns"

    "Who are the wrong people?"

    "Anyone who wants a gun."
     
  3. Old Shooter

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    Every compomise is a step backwards.

    A "compromise" for the liberals is just another bite out of the elephant.
     
  4. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

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    gc70 gets my point... The less trustworthy you think these people are, the better this deal is because they either have to eat a big setback to their plans (IF the record-less provision works) or they vote down background checks themselves and explain their votes to the public.
     
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    If they conceed on ANYTHING, it is absolutely wrong. There are many heinous violations of the 2nd in many states and cities.

    Any _compromise_ should require those be addressed. For example, what ever standard for UBC should be mandated to be truley universal: including DC, Chicago and NYC.

    Mandate _shall issue_ and make it a federal felony for anyone in government to attempt to do otherwise.

    etc etc
     
  6. Bartholomew Roberts

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    k_dawg, those are not realistic proposals. There were only 57 votes for CCW reciprocity, so mandatory shall-issue and overriding local laws is unlikely to get the 60 votes needed. It also misses the major purpose of the exercise, if you attach things like that to the bill, it gives the antis an "out" to vote it down.

    To my mind, the whole purpose of a recordless UBC is to expose their hypocrisy. They claim they want UBCs and that fear of registration is paranoid. If you can give them a UBC that can't be used for registration, they have to put their money where their mouth is. The Coburn Amendment was already rejected by Schumer, that is why he sought out Toomey. You'll also notice that a Reid did not schedule it for a vote, even though background checks were supposed to be "the sweet spot."

    I don't think the antis want a vote on this amendment precisely because it would expose their hypocrisy.
     
  7. razorback2003

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    Add in a Hughes repeal and I might call it a compromise worth looking at. Other than that, no thank you.
     
  8. gc70

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    Who wants to compromise? I don't. But I would like so see a strategy or ploy to disarm our opponents' dishonest posturing and put them on the defensive.
     
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