The “Reciprocal Conceal Carry” Act. S. 845

[Nuke8401]

I hear the vote is at noon today.

I am definitely not a “lawyer dude” like some here but I can't see the difference between this and driver’s license and I am for anything that loosens gun regulations.

 

[Superpsy]

If you want to watch it's being debated now...

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2_wm.aspx

 

[Igloodude]

I'm torn on this. On the one hand, I do see the fed vs state negative implications of it, but on the other hand, federal overreach has been screwing us so long that it'd be nice for it to go in our favor for once. And setting aside constitutional ideology, it'd mean that I'm able to actually drive outside of New England and remain legally armed - currently I would be a felon at the NYS border, and indeed on my daily commute into Massachusetts absent a Mass out-of-state CCW (renewed annually for $100, unlike my NH one renewed every four years for $10).

All that said, I'd be very surprised to see it actually pass - Schumer and the other anti-gun senators have promised a filibuster and the Reps and Blue Dog Dems might muster a majority, but I strongly doubt they have 60 votes (and it has to survive Pelosi's House, too).

 

[Wa shooter]

Failed by two votes 58 - 39.

 

[The_Shootist]

Still pretty close - and yeah, close counts in handgrenades and horseshoes, but close enough to try again soon.

Be interested to see a roll call vote on this.

 

[DeepSouth]

Closer than I thought it would be.

 

[Vermont Guy]

For

As of post 125 and this one I make the count 21 for, 21 against and 21 not sure.

 

[AZCOWBOY]

Good it failed. Hopefully dead forever. State's Rights.

Fix your own State rules or move to another State. What would the reaction be if say all gun owners in New Jersey Mass, Maryland, CT, CA, DE, and New York move to a semi-free gun State in a 30 day period of time. Do you think that might raise an eye brow or two ?

Note: if this does re-surface and passes it will include restrictions on the 2A that exceed what is required in the semi-free states like ID WY MT, I still believe this is all part of a big people (gun) control plan.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

Defeat in U.S. Senate for Gun Lobby Legislation on Carrying Concealed Weapons



Dangerous legislation that would have forced states to allow dangerous individuals to carry loaded guns in public was defeated in the U.S. Senate.

This outrageous legislation was introduced as the Thune Amendment (No. 1618) to the Defense Authorization bill (S. 1390).

It would have allowed the carrying of loaded, concealed firearms outside a person's home state, even by persons legally barred from possessing guns in the state where the carrying occurs. It would have allowed the weaker concealed carry laws of one state to nullify the restrictions on gun carrying of other states.

We applaud those Senators who stood firm for the public's safety and rejected the gun lobby's dangerous legislation.

Source: www DOT Brady Campaign DOT org (type it in yourself so it doesn't trace back to THR)​

What the hell kind of journalism is this? :banghead:

Ooooo, those dangerous individuals! Those loaded guns! The big bad boogie man is out to get ya!

 

[Wa shooter]

I also had states rights issues with this bill but I just got back from a trip through 5 different states and it took some research to figure out if and how to carry / transport in each state. The whole permit requirement is silly.

 

[kd7nqb]

It kinda bugs me that it only failed by 2 votes, 2 votes is close enough that a few thousand more calls/ emails/ letters would have changed the outcome.

 

[hvengel]

I don't think any one expected this to pass but it did get the pols on record as being either pro or anti and this could prove useful in the next election. I think that this was the main motivation for getting this bill to the floor for a vote. I am certain the Harry Reid (D Nev.) almost for sure wanted to be able to say he voted for this since it will help him retain his seat in the upcoming election.

 

[CoRoMo]

I actually thought it would pass.

Though, I have to admit that I'm in the camp that is please to see the federal government prevented from dabbling with the 2A. I believe that it should never have dabbled with it to begin with.

 

[MT GUNNY]

Well, we should Focus on getting our states to allow Recip... with More states. we are on the down hill side, keep pressing you state Reps to add more states.

 

[GeorgeF]

Reason it came so close is that the Dems knew ahead of time what the count would be. Those Dems in sensitive states would be allowed to vote for it and be seen as 'pro-gun'. There were enough hard core Dems that voted 'No' (Kerry, Feinstein, etc...) that the other Dems could vote along with the bill.

That turncoat Specter voted 'No' where a good many times he has been pro-gun rights. Thanks for nothing.

 

[cbrgator]

Where can we find who voted what way?

 

[neverjeg]

The State of Oklahoma hereby recognizes any valid concealed carry
weapons permit or license issued by another state.

You're welcome here.

 

[Art Eatman]

Let's have post-mortem discussions in a new thread...