JohnBT
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"The 1911 is okay if you like out-dated designs "
Ah, the voice of ignorance.
Ah, the voice of ignorance.
The 1911...I just don't get it.
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I've been shooting 1911s since the 70s. There have been times I was heavy into that gun and .45. Everytime I've sold one - seems I always replace it.
My current 1911 is one of the new Remington R1s, awesome gun. My son wants it so I guess it too will have a new home in the near future.
Recently, I have got into Browning HPs. At least all my holsters fit
My current 1911 is one of the new Remington R1s, awesome gun. My son wants it so I guess it too will have a new home in the near future.
Recently, I have got into Browning HPs. At least all my holsters fit
PT92
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I understand your taste. Think about it, one could easily amass an ENTIRE firearms collection just by collecting the many classic firearms designed by the late, great John Moses Browning. I will never cease to marvel at the man's utter brilliance!I've been shooting 1911s since the 70s. There have been times I was heavy into that gun and .45. Everytime I've sold one - seems I always replace it.
My current 1911 is one of the new Remington R1s, awesome gun. My son wants it so I guess it too will have a new home in the near future.
Recently, I have got into Browning HPs. At least all my holsters fit
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PT92
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You are correct Sir!
I say we start a petition drive with the absolute objective of making January 23 (JMB's Birthday) a national holiday! We can do so by starting the whole process via the honorable and well-respected THR
!-Cheers
1911austin
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The 1911 is my favorite design, but the Glock is a close second. I would like to commend you for articulating your thoughts without being a condescending jerk to those who may not share your likes and dislikes. That seems to be a lost art these days.
Like this guy:
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76shuvlinoff
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See sig line.
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StrikeFire83
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Thanks. It's an insecure wiener who has to diminish other people's choices to validate his own. THR is generally free of those sorts, but they do turn up from time to time.
WinThePennant
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And, what exactly did I say that was wrong?
Modern improvements include better sights, beavertail grip safety, and extended feed ramps (many, many others!).
kcshooter
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If you have to ask, you'll never know.
wlewisiii
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Old thread, TL;DR.
Don't sweat it. Even John M. Browning understood it wasn't the be all, end all of pistol design. He got about half of the Hi-Power design done before he died, for ex.
I carried one for a few years thanks to Uncle Sam. I wouldn't wish a 1911 on my enemy as a result...
Don't sweat it. Even John M. Browning understood it wasn't the be all, end all of pistol design. He got about half of the Hi-Power design done before he died, for ex.
I carried one for a few years thanks to Uncle Sam. I wouldn't wish a 1911 on my enemy as a result...
Your evidence doesn't support your argument. You suggest the hi power was conceived because JMB saw some deficiencies in the 1911 and the hi power would be an improvement. The hi power was designed they way it was because it had to meet specific specifications of the French, specifications that the 1911 did not meet. I'm not even saying that the 1911 is better than the hi power or visa versa, rather, I'm simply pointing out that your contention misconceives history.
1911austin
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It would be this:
The FACT of the matter is this “out-dated” design is still used by many active duty police and some elite units within our police and military forces. To imply that the 1911 is out-dated and no longer is a valid and effective fighting is pistol pure nonsense. Mine are 100% reliable and have triggers that most “modern” designs have not matched. You come off like some elitists know if all who wants to insult folks with different tastes than your own. I think people should shoot a wide range of weapons and make an informed decision on what would work best for them. They should also respect the decision others make.
As far as designs that have been spruced up;
Glocks – Now on the fourth generation
Sigs – Changed the slide designed from folded sheet metal to milled a few years back. They even got into the 1911 market.
XDs – Introduced XDMs to address perceived shortcomings of the original XDs.
I don’t have anything against the brands that I mentioned above. It was just to point out that these much younger designs have also undergone changes over the years. If you want to point out improvements to 1911s, be fair and point out the improvements that have been made to the designs that you approve.
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Carter
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I used to not really care for 1911's. I thought they were nice to look at and fun for the range, but nothing I'd seriously consider carrying or shell money in to.
Then I borrowed a friends for a 3 gun match. It was my first time shooting in one and I didn't have all the gear I needed. I ended up not using the sights on the 1911 about 85% of the time. I didn't need to. It just pointed so naturally for me I hit exactly what I wanted to (except for longer shots and when I got in too much of a hurry). I didn't really think about it at the time, but over the next year I kept thinking about how much I liked using the 1911 during that match.
One would think the small capacity of 8 rounds would make it impractical. Well I like the act of reloading weapons, so during the 3 gun matches I would only load 20 rounds in my AR and reload when moving at each obstacle with the 1911. Yes, it hurt my time, but it made me a lot faster at reloading as well, and it was all for fun.
Point being, I came to really love the 1911. Its got its downsides, but it has a lot of positives as well. Plus it just looks so darn good.
That said, I'd probably never pay over $1500 for one.
My STI Spartan was $600, and its proving to be one heck of a gun.
Then I borrowed a friends for a 3 gun match. It was my first time shooting in one and I didn't have all the gear I needed. I ended up not using the sights on the 1911 about 85% of the time. I didn't need to. It just pointed so naturally for me I hit exactly what I wanted to (except for longer shots and when I got in too much of a hurry). I didn't really think about it at the time, but over the next year I kept thinking about how much I liked using the 1911 during that match.
One would think the small capacity of 8 rounds would make it impractical. Well I like the act of reloading weapons, so during the 3 gun matches I would only load 20 rounds in my AR and reload when moving at each obstacle with the 1911. Yes, it hurt my time, but it made me a lot faster at reloading as well, and it was all for fun.
Point being, I came to really love the 1911. Its got its downsides, but it has a lot of positives as well. Plus it just looks so darn good.
That said, I'd probably never pay over $1500 for one.
My STI Spartan was $600, and its proving to be one heck of a gun.
As has been stated here countless times and on countless other boards, the pistols being made today are not 1911's. They are 1911 type pistols that have been tuned, tweeked, and modified. If you build a 1911 to the original specs and tolerances from the material called for and use the ammo it was designed for, you get a combat pistol. It was not designed to be a target pistol. It was not designed to be a cut down carry pistol. It was not designed to be a race gun. It was designed to be a combat pistol. The fact that the 1911 can be successfully converted into something it wasn't designed to be shows the genius of J.M.B. Kimbers, Colt Gold Cups, SIG's, and Ed Browns are nice pistols but they are not 1911s.
DC Plumber
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Different strokes for different folks. Sorry to be cliche.
Like someone else said, we all support the 2nd Ammendment, that's what counts.
I've noticed my likes and dislikes change with time. Whatever you shoot, shoot it well.
I"m in a good mood tonight. Everyone, just go fondle your favorite gun, just don't let the others see what you are doing.
Like someone else said, we all support the 2nd Ammendment, that's what counts.
I've noticed my likes and dislikes change with time. Whatever you shoot, shoot it well.
I"m in a good mood tonight. Everyone, just go fondle your favorite gun, just don't let the others see what you are doing.
Interesting read, but based on my experience with my 659 S&W over the last 24 years and tens of thousands of rounds (bought used as a police trade-in, so thousands more before I bought it), and a friend who was one of the test officers at the Army trials at Ft. Knox, Beretta was not the best option. His and my greatest complaint is the awkward safety/decoker operation. FWIW, I also carried the M9 over my 23 years (32 months in combat zones) in the Army, and had dozens of FTFs with at least four different SNs, mostly due to the horrible magazines that we were issued. I'm probably biased, but I carry a 1911 (EMP to be exact) unless I need to switch to a pocket gun.
Well, FWIW, that's your opinion, and your experience, FWIW. Let's not hijack this thread with a debate about the trials and the selection of Beretta. I only posted that attachment for comparisons to the 1911, not the S&W. But yeah, if the proper mags were issued, a lot fewer folks would complain about their M9's.
Walking Dead
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I really dig the 1911. They actually remind me of the small block Chevy in that when they are built right they are tough to beat! My only complaint it the name the manufactures give them. The names are very much like sub divisions. When you look at them they look just like the one across the street or down the block but have super cool names like "Elite", "Tactical", "Ranger", "Operator", "CQB" and such.
gmh1013
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I feel the same way about a Glock
IMHO a 1911 and a Glock should not even be in the same sentence together....I really really dislike them...and wonder why people pay 500 bucks for some plastic?.... But to each is own.
IMHO a 1911 and a Glock should not even be in the same sentence together....I really really dislike them...and wonder why people pay 500 bucks for some plastic?.... But to each is own.
The Chevy Small Block / 1911 analogy is the best car to gun comparison I've read yet. When assembled correctly with correct parts one will run hundreds of thousands of miles or bullets, trouble free, with proper maintenance. Put one together with poor parts or poor technique yes you'll have trouble. And I am talking about just the iron parts. NOT the electronics / induction system. Yes modern engines are more efficient, but mostly thru advanced electronic and induction. The iron parts of a glock or a 1911 are not that different.
tydephan
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Personally, I like what I shoot well with.
I own Glocks, M&Ps, and 1911s. I've shot Sigs, HKs, XDs, and all sorts of other pistols. In the end, if I HAD to make a shot, I feel the most comfortable making it with the 1911. It's the pistol I shoot my best groups with on a consistent basis. It's the pistol that pulls bedside duty.
BUT...it's not the pistol that I carry daily for several reasons. The M&P gets daily carry duty because of concealment issues. And I'm "combat" accurate with the design, and feel more than comfortable with my skills with it.
It doesn't have to be either/or. Each design has it's pros/cons. Buy both. Shoot both. Love and caress both....perhaps that's going a little too far, but to each his own.
I own Glocks, M&Ps, and 1911s. I've shot Sigs, HKs, XDs, and all sorts of other pistols. In the end, if I HAD to make a shot, I feel the most comfortable making it with the 1911. It's the pistol I shoot my best groups with on a consistent basis. It's the pistol that pulls bedside duty.
BUT...it's not the pistol that I carry daily for several reasons. The M&P gets daily carry duty because of concealment issues. And I'm "combat" accurate with the design, and feel more than comfortable with my skills with it.
It doesn't have to be either/or. Each design has it's pros/cons. Buy both. Shoot both. Love and caress both....perhaps that's going a little too far, but to each his own.
Dain Bramage
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They might not be the United States Pistol, Caliber .45, M1911, but I think we can agree that colloquially, "1911" is considered to cover the line of pistols originating from that great gun.
It would be a long and contentuous discussion about when a gun becomes a "not 1911". I own two 1911 inspired pistols, a Star BM and a Coonan Classic, that are not 1911's. I feel that a pistol crosses the line when it loses the barrel link, grip safety, and single-stack magazine, but that's just my opinion.
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