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The .223 is a nasty caliber...

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by IdahoLT1, Nov 17, 2008.

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  1. IdahoLT1

    IdahoLT1 Member

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    with the right bullet. Granted they can only use FMJ in the military so theres alot of nay sayers but this is 3 shots using HSM's 55gr Vmax into a pumpkin.

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  2. bkb0000

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    am i having wicked deja vu? i swear i saw this post like two weeks ago, but it says it's two minutes old
     
  3. C-grunt

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    Being a vet I can assure you that even FMJ .223s are nasty.
     
  4. IdahoLT1

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    Haha, maybe people like to shoot pumpkins? This was from Saturday morning.
     
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    If that's what a .223 does, imagine what a .308 does :cool:
     
  7. Boxing Buffalo

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    A couple weeks ago by shooting buddies and myself all went to the woods with some pumpkins.

    The first one had a five seven, 00 buck, and some .223 put in it before the R700 in .308 got to it.

    The second pumpkin had the .308 for it's first shot and it split the pumpkin right in two and made a ridiculous exit wound.
     
  8. Matrix187

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    The Wolf Military Classic 7.62x39 HP cartridge has the 8m3 bullet which is even "better" at doing damage than the 5.56 m193 round.
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=158778

    I wouldn't want to be on the recieving end (although this term can apply to any bullet, LOL).
     
  9. Coltdriver

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    On impact the military FMJ's turn and explode. They are spinning well over 150000 rpms and they just come apart. If you have ever seen an xray of a regular fmj .223 victim it looks like a small grenade went off and its usually a few inches in.

    The VMAX's are just more violently explosive and they explode more reliably because the polymer tip pretty much guarantees it.

    The military FMJ's don't reliably fragment under a fps number that someone will have to follow up with here because I can't remember it.

    Yes you are definitely right the .223 is one nasty round!
     
  10. Frog48

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    And there are alot of dead North Vietnamese, Viet Cong, Iraqis, Taliban, and Al Qaeda that would disagree with the naysayers.
     
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    .223 is even more impressive when you shoot a watermelon. After the first shot, there's nothing left but tiny pieces. I used British radway green fmj... I never tried .308, maybe next summer...

    FYI tomatoes get vaporized by the .223.
     
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    I hope that those pumpkins and watermelons don't come to my house.
     
  13. Rifleman 173

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    Try that shot with either a 12 gauge shotgun slug or a .50 caliber Beowulf boomstick. Heck, try it with a 7.62 X 39 AK launcher and you'll see how anemic that .223/5.56 really is by comparison.
     
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    i shot one with a soft point 87 grainer from my .25-06 at 3400 feet per second. There was nothing left to shoot at after that.
     
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    The link is correct as far as it goes -- 99% of the US military uses FMJ exclusively. JAG has ruled that OTM ammunition is allowed under the laws of land warfare (it's a full metal jacketed round with a pin hole in the nose due to difference in construction compared to standard FMJ ammo, so this is much less of a loophole than some people seem to think), and certain specific SOF units are allowed to use JHP ammo for certain specific mission sets, but that definitely doesn't mean that everyone in SOCOM is running around with JHP loaded in their sidearms.

    Also, military police are allowed to use JHP ammunition when conducting law enforcment missions in a garrison environment -- but they're not allowed to use JHP on the battlefield.
     
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    I use the 5.56mm M193 round in my guns to kill hogs, dozens of hogs; sometimes very big hogs. Very few of the hogs that I have shot with the M193 round require a second shot. The bullet will pass through a rib, or not pass through a rib; penetrate about 6", yaw and come totally apart. Shards from that little 55 grain bullet shreds the hogs lungs and heart, sometimes the diaphram and liver as well.

    After about 150-175 yards when fired from a 20" barrel, the bullet loses velocity and much of its magic swine killing ability.
     
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    Yip them sure are nasty and I would not want to be shot with a 223. Try shooting that pumpkin with a cinder block in front of it though and you'll be very disappointed.
     
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    thanks for the further clarification, horsesoldier!
     
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    at 600 yds???
     
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    I've seen XM193 leave the same looking wound on coyotes as that pumpkin... it is nasty.
     
  21. Just One Shot

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    (Yip them sure are nasty and I would not want to be shot with a 223. Try shooting that pumpkin with a cinder block in front of it though and you'll be very disappointed.)


    Yep, them darn pumpkins they like to find cover at the first sign of trouble!
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  22. natecade1

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    We did that the other day too.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyOe7kHhoQk
    from about 40 yards, first with r710 in .300 win mag. the exit hole was about 5", then the 00 buck shot from my 870 just split the thing in half.

    shooting the apple at 40 yards with the the .300 mag was pretty fun too. There is a video of that on my youtube also.
     
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    At 600 yards he wants an M-1a or an AR-10(t) with a good scope. The 12 gauge is for close in shooting fun. Watch that pumpkin soar into the sky when it gets hit with a slug...
     
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    Flank that pumpkin, and shoot it in the back.

    That's why I never go pumpkin hunting in fewer that squad strength. :D
     
  25. Reneage Riot

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    Heres my brothers .223 bolt action's damage to an old watermelon.
     

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