Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by AStone, Feb 24, 2007.
PigHunter, wow, you scored. That's a beauty. They don't put that kind of detail on the furniture any more. Can't wait to see it with a 16.5" barrel.
Something tells me my 336A is going to wind up with a short barrel. I just picked up a Remington 597 HB with a 16.5" barrel yesterday. Haven't shot it yet -- late next week before I'll have a chance. I'm in the process of pre-shooting cleaning and polishing. But I already love it. It just handles so well.
I have that scope on my 336y and like it a lot.
Yay! Congrats! Makes me feel good.
Welcome to the club, Joe.
I can't wait to shoot mine again. (Until this summer, it had been in storage in a different state than where I was there --- wow, long, long, long, long story... I'll spare you; since being back where it's been in storage, I've been working impossible hours and am car challenged here, so not easy to get to the range -- that will change in October, as early as next week).
I'll defer to others here for good advice on that. I know just enough to be dangerous <snickers>, so take this with two grains of salt -- just an opinion.
First, practice with what you're going to shoot regularly: 150's, 160's (Leverevolution), or 170's. Preferably with the same brand -- your rifle will like some better than others --, but if you're not seeking precision, that matters less.
Personally, I like the traditional 150's. My rifle did also. I haven't hunted deer (yet) with this one (I did as a kid with my first 336, but never killed a deer), but plan to. I missed this year, but hopefully next (in either Florida or Maine). And I think I'll stick with 150's for that. IIRC, I had best luck with Remington Core-Loct, but ask me again next year. (I shoot with ghost rings, and don't go much further out than 75 yds. In part, I put them on because I want to hog hunt. I'm at least as interested in hog hunting as deer, maybe more.
Now for hog, some here may recommend 170's. I probably would. Not all hogs are huge, but if I get an angry granddad charging me, I want some mass in that projectile. :-o
Pig hunter - it looks like you are ready to go
I'd buy a few boxes and see what your rifle likes. 4 or 5 boxes might cost $60 if you shop around.
The difference between 150 grain and 170 grain bullets is negligable. The weight difference is equal to the weight of THREE post-it notes (3x3) - go ahead, peel off three and estimate how much difference it'll make as it pokes through a critter. It is WAY more important to deliver the shot to THE spot and for it to adequately penetrate than anything else.
A pard of mine not long ago shot a Moose with his 300 Win Mag. Perfect placement. The Moose decided to make it tough on him and trotted off. A couple of hours later he put the "finisher" in him with his 41 caliber revolver. His thought was natural, he needed even more gun. The reality was it was a close shot with a high velocity round that failed to penetrate more than one lung. I've seen that same shot done with a 30-30 and it was a complete pass through, the Moose gave up the ghost before he got out of sight and no finisher was required. The Biggest Grizz I've ever seen taken was also killed with a 30-30.
It is my belief that regardless of what you hunt with, it's the Indian and not the arrow that matters the most. Put it where it needs to go and make sure to bring a sharp knife or two.
Believe it or not the 30-30 is actually accurate at ranges far beyond it's "Brush-Gun" reputation. Last year a friend of mine had some fun putting the hurt on steel at 900 yards. Here is the video:
It's an interesting point you make re the mass difference between 150 and 170.
Great story about the moose and grizzly, too. Makes me proud to own a 336. It'll never leave me while I'm alive, and find a good home after I'm gone.
I'll start with it in a Ruger bolt..
The main issue would be the pointy bullets in a tube fed rifle.
Very interesting cartridge. It's big advantage is its size and it being able to run though an AR 15. Ballistics fall short of a 30-30 though 300 BLK **might** shoot a heavier bullet better. 300 BLK subsonic is commercially available where as the 30-30 subsonic is essentially the purview of handloaders.
I have a number of buds converting to the cartridge, mainly because it doesn't cost much to convert their AR's, it's legal to hunt with here and it works so well with suppressors, especially in bolt guns. It also seems to have a lot of traction with the 'modern minute man' crowd.
Agree. I'm thinking Browning.
I see its [300 Blk] real advantage out of bolts.
Deog, from CA. Thanks for standing up in that state.
But then, that Ruger can also shoot .223/5.56.
I'm thinking that'll also do.
But even though I haven't had time to shoot it yet, I've renewed my love of my 336. Will have some serious range time in Florida. It's already at my shipper's being packed with my Remington 597 HB. With any luck, they'll be waiting for me when I get there.
Thinking seriously about three things.
1) Mounting a Leupold VX Hog on it. Very eager to try it out as a hog gun. Would love to know if any of you have that mounted on a 336 (or anything else). If on a 336, what mounts did you use? For the longest time, I fancied a scout scope for it. Even bought an XS scout mount (which I may sell). But I've since read that they don't work well for cross-eye dominant people like me, so thinking Hog instead.
2) Cutting the barrel down. I've thought about going all the way down to 16" (or 16.5"), but wondering about 17.5" instead. Seems I'll lose less round capacity that way.
3) Trying out some new ammo in it. I haven't looked at ammo choices in years. I've known that factory loads exist in 150, 160 and 170, and have shot all of them. I've known that reloaders have extra options, including 110 gr.
But just this weekend, I learned about several new loads and am eager to know if any of you have tried them.
First and foremost are several brands of 125 gr loads, including hollow points. I'm partial to Federal Power Shock rounds, so will definitely try these.
Then there are the newer (and very expensive) Hornady Monoflex 140 gr. I don't fancy myself as a long distance shooter. I don't see well enough to go much beyond 100 m, and in the places I will hunt (finally), shots are no longer than that. (Dense woods and underbrush). So less interested in that one, but I am curious.
But the 125 gr rounds appeal for general shooting, lower recoil, and SD of the homestead (in addition to the 9mm).
Here's a fine thread from 2010 about 16" .30-30's in which I participated.
More motivation for me to cut and crown.
Here's the article that got me interested in a 16" .30-30.
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