Quickdraw Limpsalot
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My 336cs in .35 Remington is my go-to, do-all, meat-stackin', woods-packin' companion. First rifle I ever bought and it'll be with me 'til I die, God willing.
How's that?
How's that?
The 336 Club
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Brassman
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Does anyone here know if the XS Ghost Ring sights mentioned earlier can be used on a 39A? I'd really like to take my scope off and use a sight like the XS Ghost ring. Then my favorite .22 won't look so much like a balerina carrying a backpack. I don't seem to need a scope on either of my 336's, but my groups at 25 yards suffering without the scope on the .22
Sistema1927
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Yes, I have XS ghost rings on both my 39 A and my 336. For one of them (I can't remember which now) I needed a taller front sight post, but XS quickly supplied that for a phone call. These sights work great on both guns. If I didn't use my 1894C as a back-up for CAS I would slap a set of them on it as well.
MrDig
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Always Late to the Party
I have had a 336 for years now, it was my first Deer Rifle that I owned, as opposed to loaners.
Recently I purchased an 1894C in .357 hope that dosen't affect my membership in the 336 Club.
I have had a 336 for years now, it was my first Deer Rifle that I owned, as opposed to loaners.
Recently I purchased an 1894C in .357 hope that dosen't affect my membership in the 336 Club.
LotI
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This should be a popular group...
I have a 336 made in '72 so no cross-bolt safety. I picked it up from a friend along with a Winchester in 44mag for $200. I sold the Winnie and kept the Marlin. I put a Williams receiver sight on it and love it.
My friend had no cleaning prowess so it was pretty fouled up. A week of soaking, scrubbing and patching with a couple heavy-duty cleaners revealed a clean bore and now it will do 2" groups. Smooth as butter action, too.
I have just started reloading and am having fun with lead bullets and 7 grains of Unique. Now I know why cowboy action is popular...bang shuck-shuck bang shuck-shuck bang...he he he!
I have a 336 made in '72 so no cross-bolt safety. I picked it up from a friend along with a Winchester in 44mag for $200. I sold the Winnie and kept the Marlin. I put a Williams receiver sight on it and love it.
My friend had no cleaning prowess so it was pretty fouled up. A week of soaking, scrubbing and patching with a couple heavy-duty cleaners revealed a clean bore and now it will do 2" groups. Smooth as butter action, too.
I have just started reloading and am having fun with lead bullets and 7 grains of Unique. Now I know why cowboy action is popular...bang shuck-shuck bang shuck-shuck bang...he he he!
AStone
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336 Club is most viewed thread in rifle country
The number of "views" for this thread currently stands at 2,617.
That's second only to the sticky "THR Rifle Forum Reading Library".
(The library contains some good info, by the way; check it out sometime.)
I think that says a LOT about the interest in the venerable 336.
I'm proud (not to mention happy ) to own one.
Welcome to all the new members. Glad you're here.
I'll update the club roster this weekend.
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I'm lagging a bit behind on my responsibilities
(still trying to get caught up from a working weekend)
but I am reading with interest.
I hope tomorrow - my day off - to assemble
my second installment in a series on 336 information,
collecting information from THR archives and other web sources.
Since my next project is sights for my 336, I think I'll focus on sights for this one:
scopes (main focus on scout scopes), ghost rings, apertures, and even stock irons.
I've got a pretty good collection of stuff in my bookmarks folder for 336,
but I have little doubt that it's far from complete.
I'll include the stuff that's already been posted in here, along with other threads I've got bookmarked.
If you have some item, link or thread (THR or otherwise) that you think should be included or addressed in the summary, please post here or send me a PM. I'm very open to suggestions. I'm particularly keen to get recommendations about scopes, especially scout and non-scout scopes. (I haven't researched
the latter much, having focused mostly on scout scopes.)
Of course, I have no hold on the summary/synthesis essay niche.
Anyone can write their own at any time. The more the merrier.
Have a great 336 afternoon.
Nem
PS: Check the time stamp for this post. I couldn't resist ...
because resistance is futile! You will be assimilated into the 336 club!
PSS: Darn! I missed 3:36 PM by a minute.
I'll adjust my clock and try again another day.
The number of "views" for this thread currently stands at 2,617.
That's second only to the sticky "THR Rifle Forum Reading Library".
(The library contains some good info, by the way; check it out sometime.)
I think that says a LOT about the interest in the venerable 336.
I'm proud (not to mention happy
) to own one. Welcome to all the new members. Glad you're here.
I'll update the club roster this weekend.
___________
I'm lagging a bit behind on my responsibilities
(still trying to get caught up from a working weekend)
but I am reading with interest.
I hope tomorrow - my day off - to assemble
my second installment in a series on 336 information,
collecting information from THR archives and other web sources.
Since my next project is sights for my 336, I think I'll focus on sights for this one:
scopes (main focus on scout scopes), ghost rings, apertures, and even stock irons.
I've got a pretty good collection of stuff in my bookmarks folder for 336,
but I have little doubt that it's far from complete.
I'll include the stuff that's already been posted in here, along with other threads I've got bookmarked.
If you have some item, link or thread (THR or otherwise) that you think should be included or addressed in the summary, please post here or send me a PM. I'm very open to suggestions. I'm particularly keen to get recommendations about scopes, especially scout and non-scout scopes. (I haven't researched
the latter much, having focused mostly on scout scopes.)
Of course, I have no hold on the summary/synthesis essay niche.
Anyone can write their own at any time. The more the merrier.
Have a great 336 afternoon.
Nem
PS: Check the time stamp for this post. I couldn't resist ...
because resistance is futile! You will be assimilated into the 336 club!
PSS: Darn! I missed 3:36 PM by a minute.
I'll adjust my clock and try again another day.
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JNewell
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A couple of Marlin books, highly recommended:
Brophy, Marlin Firearms: A History of the Guns and the Company That Made Them
Murray, A Collectors Reference on the Model 336 Marlin
Marlin serial no. look-up at oldguns.net
Brophy, Marlin Firearms: A History of the Guns and the Company That Made Them
Murray, A Collectors Reference on the Model 336 Marlin
Marlin serial no. look-up at oldguns.net
davera
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I have a 336 in 30-30. I don't hunt anymore and probably will not ... unless it became necessary. Every personal armory needs a 30-30 (just because) and the Marlin was my choice.
oregonhunter
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Nem Were are you in the pacific northwest, I am in the portland area. Just because I was thinking of getting a THR/336 club shooting day going.
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On scopes...
I used a Bushnell Trophey that I already had, but thought would be a perfect scope for this gun, its 1.5-4x with a circle around the crosshairs (can't recall the reticle name for this) that is perfect for quick shots, but also allows time for more precise longer shots. I used Leupold aluminum rings and base and it works perfectly. If I had the money, I would not do a scout scope, but rather maybe Leupold's newest quick disconnect base and rings that allow a supposed perfect re-zero. Scouts aren't for me, I prefer a more traditionally mounted scope and in the unlikelyhood that I would need to use irons if the scope was damaged I could use the adequate stock Marlin sights after taking off the standard scope.
I used a Bushnell Trophey that I already had, but thought would be a perfect scope for this gun, its 1.5-4x with a circle around the crosshairs (can't recall the reticle name for this) that is perfect for quick shots, but also allows time for more precise longer shots. I used Leupold aluminum rings and base and it works perfectly. If I had the money, I would not do a scout scope, but rather maybe Leupold's newest quick disconnect base and rings that allow a supposed perfect re-zero. Scouts aren't for me, I prefer a more traditionally mounted scope and in the unlikelyhood that I would need to use irons if the scope was damaged I could use the adequate stock Marlin sights after taking off the standard scope.
AStone
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OH, I'm only a couple of hours out of PDX.
TexAg, I hear you about the scout. I'm not totally convinced it's the right choice for me, but something about it begs to be tried on this 336.
In fact, part of my motivation for scout is that the base for it occupies the front scope base holes on the receiver plus the dovetail for the rear irons. That leaves the rear scope base holes for a set of ghost rings, with which I'd replace the stock irons. (I can't hit squat past 50 yds with them anyway.)
XS makes a nice set up. Check out the scout scope/GR set up on this page.
TexAg, I hear you about the scout. I'm not totally convinced it's the right choice for me, but something about it begs to be tried on this 336.
In fact, part of my motivation for scout is that the base for it occupies the front scope base holes on the receiver plus the dovetail for the rear irons. That leaves the rear scope base holes for a set of ghost rings, with which I'd replace the stock irons. (I can't hit squat past 50 yds with them anyway.)
XS makes a nice set up. Check out the scout scope/GR set up on this page.
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Nem, I really think that if what you are after is a very quick optical sighting system that allows you to keep both eyes open and have the scope mounted very low then the scout setup will be ideal. On the other hand, I mounted a Leupold VXII 1-4X on my XLR for a while and it worked very well. I mounted it with low quick-detach rings that allowed use of the standard irons as backup. The 1-4X scope offered very good eye relief and quick target acquisition. It also allowed good visibility in low light (something you won't get from a scout scope). The downside was that it didn't allow installation of an aperture sight. It wasn't long before I took the scope off and installed the XS Ghost Ring set and never looked back. The scope is now installed on my CZ550FS, and its classic looks go very well with that rifle.
Once you decide on the parameters for use that your 336 needs to operate in you will be able to decide which sight system is best for your purposes.
Once you decide on the parameters for use that your 336 needs to operate in you will be able to decide which sight system is best for your purposes.
Bud Tugly
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I'm a .30/.30 fan but prefer the style of my Winnie '94 so I guess I'm out of the club. I've fired my brother-in-law's .35 caliber 336 many times, though. It's a great gun but just doesn't have the "feel" of the Winchester to me.
Many people demean the .30/.30 because it isn't as flat-shooting as some of the "modern" rounds, but IMO there's another issue. SAFETY!! What about those folks who fire at a deer at 100 yards or less and (heaven forbid) MISS.
Due to the arc of the bullet, the .30/.30 round is only going to go a fairly short distance after a miss before it buries itself in the ground. The flat-shooting round is going to travel a LOT farther after a miss before it finally comes to ground.
I submit that for hunting heavy cover where there is even a remote chance of other people being downrange, the .30/30 is a safer gun to use than some flat-shooting wonder weapon, especially in the hands of shaky beginners.
Many people demean the .30/.30 because it isn't as flat-shooting as some of the "modern" rounds, but IMO there's another issue. SAFETY!! What about those folks who fire at a deer at 100 yards or less and (heaven forbid) MISS.
Due to the arc of the bullet, the .30/.30 round is only going to go a fairly short distance after a miss before it buries itself in the ground. The flat-shooting round is going to travel a LOT farther after a miss before it finally comes to ground.
I submit that for hunting heavy cover where there is even a remote chance of other people being downrange, the .30/30 is a safer gun to use than some flat-shooting wonder weapon, especially in the hands of shaky beginners.
SSN Vet
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If you haven't tried using an appeture sight on your 336, you should give it a whirl.
It is a very instinctive sight to use....and if your vision is good, you'll be surprised what you can do at 100yds without glass.
I put a Williams 5d on mine but would like to upgrade to the Foolproof.
The rifle loses it's balance and handiness when you mount a scope.
It is a very instinctive sight to use....and if your vision is good, you'll be surprised what you can do at 100yds without glass.
I put a Williams 5d on mine but would like to upgrade to the Foolproof.
The rifle loses it's balance and handiness when you mount a scope.
CrackerJim
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Well, just got in from purchasing a 336a. I will try the ghost rings so didn't need any fancier sights.
I'm looking forward to getting out this weekend to shoot it but I'm hoping the other guys won't laugh at me too hard......I have cycling problems.
I have to stick a wooden dowel through the loading port to free up the next round in the mag. The front of the carrier is a U shaped cradle when viewed from the butt of the gun. Almost every round will have the case rim hang up on the left side of the carrier "u". The bottom and right side have good clearence.
Once the cartridge is freed from the hang up, cycling is fine. Since I haven't seen talk of this issue, I'm wondering if the carrier is incorrect (the mag tube doesn't appear to have any alignment problems).
I was considering taking it apart to grind a ramp on that left side so it couldn't hang up but I'm not familiar with lever actions so hesitant to proceed with taking the receiver apart (visualizing small pieces flying around the shop).
Comments or suggestions appreciated. Search of 336 problems etc did not produce any results that were helpful.
Almost in the club...... .
Thanks,
Jim (CJ)
I'm looking forward to getting out this weekend to shoot it but I'm hoping the other guys won't laugh at me too hard......I have cycling problems.
I have to stick a wooden dowel through the loading port to free up the next round in the mag. The front of the carrier is a U shaped cradle when viewed from the butt of the gun. Almost every round will have the case rim hang up on the left side of the carrier "u". The bottom and right side have good clearence.
Once the cartridge is freed from the hang up, cycling is fine. Since I haven't seen talk of this issue, I'm wondering if the carrier is incorrect (the mag tube doesn't appear to have any alignment problems).
I was considering taking it apart to grind a ramp on that left side so it couldn't hang up but I'm not familiar with lever actions so hesitant to proceed with taking the receiver apart (visualizing small pieces flying around the shop).
Comments or suggestions appreciated. Search of 336 problems etc did not produce any results that were helpful.
Almost in the club......
.Thanks,
Jim (CJ)
SSN Vet
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an appeture sight (often refered to as a peep sight) with the largest appeture installed is essentially a ghost ring sight.
I can't figure out why the ghost ring sights cost so much.....musht be the "cowboy" thing.
I can't figure out why the ghost ring sights cost so much.....musht be the "cowboy" thing.
AStone
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CrackerJim, I hope someone offers a solution to your problem here. That sounds really annoying. With all the 336 users in these parts, someone's bound to speak up. I'm a new owner, so can't offer you a solution. But I'll follow that with interest.
Curious that the next rnd hangs up like that.
I haven't had one hang up in the magazine tube, but the first (and so far, only) time I shot my 336A, I had two rnds fail to load into the spout as I was levering. In both cases, the new rnd hung up in the action just before it entered the barrel.
In both cases, I had tilted the barrel of the gun up pretty steeply. So I thought either it was an issue that the rifle didn't like to be tilted up when levering the new rnd, or that the action was still stiff and would loosen up with time.
I dunno. I'll watch what happens next.
But at the last second, I veered away towards a set of XS ghost rings. I ordered them a few minutes ago even though they were indeed $30 more expensive. ($68 for Williams FP v. $98 for XS GR, including shipping.) Here's why.
A trusted adviser at my gun shop offer the opinion that the aperture sights are more for target shooting, where as the larger aperture ghost rings are better for fast target acquisition.
Since I see my 336 mainly as a deer gun, and mainly out to 100 m, I decided to try the ghost rings first, before the aperture sights.
I understand that one can screw out the aperture ring and effectively create a GR, but ... something told me to try the XS GRs first.
I'll post a review in a couple of weeks once I try them.
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Well, speaking of sights, I thought I'd get a review of sights for 336s written today, but a business opportunity got in the way.
It's still on my list though, hopefully by weekend.
Nem
Curious that the next rnd hangs up like that.
I haven't had one hang up in the magazine tube, but the first (and so far, only) time I shot my 336A, I had two rnds fail to load into the spout as I was levering. In both cases, the new rnd hung up in the action just before it entered the barrel.
In both cases, I had tilted the barrel of the gun up pretty steeply. So I thought either it was an issue that the rifle didn't like to be tilted up when levering the new rnd, or that the action was still stiff and would loosen up with time.
I dunno. I'll watch what happens next.
SSN Vet, I almost bought a set of Williams FP apertures today.
But at the last second, I veered away towards a set of XS ghost rings. I ordered them a few minutes ago even though they were indeed $30 more expensive. ($68 for Williams FP v. $98 for XS GR, including shipping.) Here's why.
A trusted adviser at my gun shop offer the opinion that the aperture sights are more for target shooting, where as the larger aperture ghost rings are better for fast target acquisition.
Since I see my 336 mainly as a deer gun, and mainly out to 100 m, I decided to try the ghost rings first, before the aperture sights.
I understand that one can screw out the aperture ring and effectively create a GR, but ... something told me to try the XS GRs first.
I'll post a review in a couple of weeks once I try them.
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Well, speaking of sights, I thought I'd get a review of sights for 336s written today, but a business opportunity got in the way.
It's still on my list though, hopefully by weekend.
Nem
rockerz71
Member
I just bought a 336W last night...flipped the rear sight up and it broke off. Anyone know where I can get a new one?
CrackerJim
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I spoke to the factory customer service yesterday. After referring to their guidelines for answering questions, the answer is to send it to the factory for adjustment.
I called my gunsmith and he said he would take a look at it. He commented that the adjust the carrier answer was probably blowing smoke.
Last night, I studied the exploded view that came with the gun. I would have taken it apart but was unclear on how the Hammer Spring Adjusting Plate is held in, so backed off. However, in studying the drawing, I see no adjustment built in for the carrier ie no shims/spacers etc.
I'm still of the opinion that it's the wrong carrier or incorrectly manufactured carrier. Even if there was position adjustment built in to the mechanism, the carrier is already tight to the receiver side plate in the direction it would have to move to provide the clearence necessary to keep the cartridge rim from hanging up.
I'll be taking the rifle to the gunsmith later today to see what he thinks of it and will decide what to do then. It still may be that I'll take the carrier out and grind it for correct function.
Jim
I called my gunsmith and he said he would take a look at it. He commented that the adjust the carrier answer was probably blowing smoke.
Last night, I studied the exploded view that came with the gun. I would have taken it apart but was unclear on how the Hammer Spring Adjusting Plate is held in, so backed off. However, in studying the drawing, I see no adjustment built in for the carrier ie no shims/spacers etc.
I'm still of the opinion that it's the wrong carrier or incorrectly manufactured carrier. Even if there was position adjustment built in to the mechanism, the carrier is already tight to the receiver side plate in the direction it would have to move to provide the clearence necessary to keep the cartridge rim from hanging up.
I'll be taking the rifle to the gunsmith later today to see what he thinks of it and will decide what to do then. It still may be that I'll take the carrier out and grind it for correct function.
Jim
rockerz71, call Marlin. I'm sure they'll take care of you.
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/About/ContactUs.aspx
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/About/ContactUs.aspx
CrackerJim
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Gunsmith up date. The carrier is the problem. I'll keep it for the weekend so I can at least shoot it to check for any other problems and return to his shop Monday. I'll have my "feeding dowel" hanging on a string. That'll get them going at the range..... . Maybe I should paint the dowel and tell'em it's a Marlin accessory .
He confirmed that no adjustment is possible. It involves a new carrier or work the existing one. His services will be $10-15 more than shipping/insurence to Marlin so will have him do the work. He'll do some minor grinding and give it a good polish.
I'm sure Marlin would have taken care of the problem but for the minor difference in dollars, I don't have to be with out my new rifle for more than a couple of days by having the local gunsmith do it .
Looking forward to becoming a full member of the club by actually shooting it this weekend (maybe tomorrow, a good day to play hooky.....).
Jim
. Maybe I should paint the dowel and tell'em it's a Marlin accessory .He confirmed that no adjustment is possible. It involves a new carrier or work the existing one. His services will be $10-15 more than shipping/insurence to Marlin so will have him do the work. He'll do some minor grinding and give it a good polish.
I'm sure Marlin would have taken care of the problem but for the minor difference in dollars, I don't have to be with out my new rifle for more than a couple of days by having the local gunsmith do it
.Looking forward to becoming a full member of the club by actually shooting it this weekend (maybe tomorrow, a good day to play hooky.....).
Jim
AStone
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LOL.Maybe I should paint the dowel and tell'em it's a Marlin accessory
Glad the problem is at least understood, Jim, and soon to be resolved. Too bad it happened though. A little glitch in Marlin quality control ...
I think this club/thread will be a good place to collect stories about problems like that. Then someday we can ship the stories out to Marlin to encourage them to improve their QC.
Rockerz, sorry to hear of your rear sight issue. That piece to me seems the weakest, most vulnerable part on the entire gun. It just feels kind of flimsy. I'm looking forward to taking it off once the GRs get here. (I'll probably keep it though, just as a back up for hard times...)
I'll bet Marlin will send you a new one really fast.
Nem
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