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The 336 Club

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by AStone, Feb 24, 2007.

  1. rockerz71

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    Called them on Friday morning and I think they sent it out the same day. It sounds like this is a common problem; the woman on the phone didn't even let me finish describing it before she told me they'd send me a rear sight immediately if I gave her my address.
     
  2. fiVe

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    Here, Here!
     
  3. AStone

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    It's been a busy week here, so haven't gotten around to the next installment on sights.

    But I promise that this thread ... er, club won't die any time soon.

    Even if I have to talk to myself about 336s (which I could do), it won't die. :)

    Besides, I'm thinking there's little danger of thread death given that we are still ranked number 1 in rifle country in terms of number of views (actually number 2, but that's behind a sticky, so we're really number 1).

    Translation: there's a LOT of interest in this venerable rifle,
    even if the number of posts is not keeping up with the number of views ... yet.

    As of fiVe's post, the number of views was ... <drum roll> 3366.

    I love it. :D
     
  4. CrackerJim

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    Well, I guess I'm fully in the club now and fully hooked on the 336 carbine as well. Two friends, one of my sons and I went to a range a little farther away yesterday than are regular spot. We got in a couple of rounds of trap then stopped to check out their rifle/pistol range.

    One of my firends had his Marlin in 357 along (his gun along with inheriting my grandfathers older winchester is what got me looking at lever actions to start with). Although we did have to fiddle with the wood dowel some of the time to free up the next cartridge coming out of the mag tube, it wasn't as much as when dry cycling as the recoil helped. That issue will be corrected this week.

    This gun is a keeper. Really enjoyed shooting it. Even with the semi buckhorn sights, my old eyes got a good enough sight picture to appreciate this carbine. My son liked it too. Now he's got the wheels turning in his head:D . I put a sling on it and at 50yrds off hand, they were all inside a dinner plate. So with a little practice (might as well get the reloading dies, I'm gonna need them:) , it'll be good.

    Hmmmmm, nice day out. Maybe have to knock out a couple of chores and sneak over to the local range for some practice :evil: .

    Yep, this 336 is as good as I've been hearing. Good solid and fairly smooth action (not even broken in yet), feels right bringing it to the shoulder and feels right shooting it.

    Jim
     
  5. ugaarguy

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  6. AStone

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    Uga, that is a very cool tool. It's on my "to acquire" list, fo' sho'.

    On the Hammond site are links to a couple of articles about the Gamegetter.

    I've only read this review so far. Quite impressive.
    ___________

    C'Jim, it's great to hear of your positive experience with your new 336,
    even with that feeding problem that needs to be fixed.

    I'm feeling the same way. As I think I mentioned, there may be a loading issue with mine, too, although different from the one you're experiencing. I need to shoot it more before I know; could be just a break in thing. In any case, I'm confident that it'll be minor and easily repairable.

    And, even with that potential, I'm digging my 336A. I'm really looking forward to getting it to the range again, but I won't until I receive the GR's and install them. Given ground shipping, that could be over a week.
    (Be quiet my aching heart... :( ).

    In the mean time, I'm going to work on his little brother: the new 39A. :D
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    I've been doing my homework for my essay on sights, by the way. I spent some time last night looking through my bookmarks at "sights for 336" category. I'm trying to decide which ones really belong in this review. (Some are on the edge of what one would put on a 336, but may be relevant for comparison, for example.)
     
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  7. JustsayMo

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    Here's a "game gitter" recipe that my old scout master taught us way back when.

    Buckshot (can't remember the ought size but it mics out .314-.320" ish)
    30-06 case (I see no reason why a 30-30 case wouldn't work)
    Large Rifle Primer
    One 22LR case full of Bullseye powder (~2.4gr)

    Seat primer, dump in powder, seat buckshot with thumb.

    Out of my Remington 700 at 25 yards it did this three shot group offhand with my 100 yard 165gr open sight zero:

    http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/onepic.jsp?id=1211593

    I never tried it with my 30-30 but I have used Bullseye (and Red Dot and SR4756...) to shoot 170gr cast bullets so I would assume it would work just as well.

    We would load these at our Scout Master's place with the Lee Loader tool. We'd just decap a case, reprime it, charge it press in a "bullet" and shoot till it was too dark to see. This was done over and over again without resizing. Back then we shot them out of 1903A3's he got for us and we'd shoot targets at his place. Inside of 25 yards they are very accurate. Quiet, cheap and effective on paper cans and a few other things I won't admit to shooting. He called them his "garden load."
     
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  8. ugaarguy

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    Buckshot sizes.

    According to the side of a box of Federal buckshot I've got handy No. 1 Buck is .30"/7.62mm which is standard American 30 cal. No. 00 is .33"/8.38mm. The Hammond site recommends, for 30 cal, running No. 0 or 00 Buck thru the swage included with the game getter. The Federal box doesn't list a size for No. 0 Buck, but I'd bet it's in the .31 neighborhood. Using Mo's technique I'm sure a few rounds each of No. 1 and No. 0 Buck would yield groups that would tell you what your rifle prefers when using shot that hasn't been swaged. Either way these are good options to look into for both low cost/sound/recoil practice, and increased rifle versatility.
     
  9. gns4me

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    Alright, I dont "join" many clubs but I do have a couple of 336's that I dearly love. One in .35 rem that is a real joy to shoot and reload for. I do realy love the .35 area of bullets. Its is a real comfortable bore size to shoot. I also have a 336TK in 30-30. I am having a bit of trouble out of it right know but I think it will be solvable and like the rifle for the handiness in the field.
     
  10. PapaDog

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    Glenfield 30A 30-30

    Hello everyone...I'm the new kid on the block and I
    am about to buy a new Marlin 336CC or just the 336C.
    I also found a new in the box Glenfield 30A 30-30 made
    by marlin for $325. Is this a good buy?
    A friend of mine had a glenfield 30-30 years
    ago that I borrowed on a deer hunt and it shot excellent.
    I would like to buy this glenfield before buying the 336CC.
    Any of you gun guru's out there have any info and help for me?


    Thanks
     
  11. JustsayMo

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    PapaDog,
    While $325 might be reasonable it depends. Looking at Gunbroker.com competed auction search it looks like that is the upper end of the price range. NIB and any accessories might up the price some.

    That being said $325 is purdy darn cheap for a good rifle... Tough call not knowing all the details.

    I'd be more inclined to find a used one with some "character" and use the $100 or so I save on ammo or reloading components.
     
  12. MrDig

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    Does anybody have experience with Williams Fire Sights on 336's and or other Marlin Lever Actions?
     
  13. AStone

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    Roll call

    The following have posted to this club since its inception.
    (Some were added after this post.)

    Each user name is followed by the version of the name
    that I would likely use to address them to save keystrokes.
    (Feel free to specify your preference.)

    Membership in The 336 Club does not require owning a 336,
    only an interest in the concept and some participation.
    (E.g., those not posting for several months
    may be dropped from the official :rolleyes: roster,
    though not unsubscribed.)

    Non-336'ers are welcome,
    with the understanding that ...

    ... the focus here is 336.

    {added by edit: though we may occasionally
    wander into discussion of other rifles/calibers for comparison...}

    ;)
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    .45Guy (45)
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  14. SSN Vet

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    I have the 5D appeture sight (with a large appeture) with a funky orange plastic front blade (came on my purchased used 336C).

    I shoot much better with it than the stock "buckhorns". The appeture sight aquires the target quickly and seems to intuitively center itself....especially left to right.

    I want to put a fire eye on it, as I think the fibre beed will "gravitate" to the center even more so.....especially up and down....as there it provides a distinctive point....as opposed to the tip of the blade.

    If I was to do it over.....I'd buy the Williams Fool Proof bundled with the Fire eye. Wasn't an option for me at the time though.

    If any of you guys want to try out an appeture sight without investing a fortune....I'll sell you mine for $25 shipped. It's in perfect condition. (That's over $10 off Midways best price and you don't pay shipping.)

    Heads up though....I have the model that mounts to the tapped holes on the side of the receiver. They don't put these on the new 336s.
     
  15. WJR

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    Nem,

    Keep me on the roll!! I am definitely an interested member of the club.

    WJR
     
  16. JustsayMo

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    As if anyone needs another reason to take his 336 to the range check out Ranch Dog's Leveraction postal match.

    http://gunloads.com/fam/ranchdogmolds/PM/

    Great fun and a great way to challenge your marksmanship even if you don't send your targets in.
     
  17. PapaDog

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    Has anyone bought the 336CC which has the camo stock?
     
  18. JNewell

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    I have a fiber optic front sight on one of my 336s, and it's great, but a small heads-up: they don't work very well with a cover. You can buy special covers that are mostly cut out along the top to admit light, which may work better (I haven't tested them). It's a little bit of a gotcha, because you look at the plastic and say "gee, I'd like to give that thing some protection" - but the standard cover will defeat the advantages offered by the sight.
     
  19. AStone

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    WJR, sorry for the omission!

    WJR, sorry to have inadvertently left you off the list. My bad. :eek:

    I've edited the roster and put your name on. Thanks for the heads up.

    Did I leave anyone else off?

    Hopefully, the roll is going to grow over the coming months.
    Why, there must be more 336 owners out there than 642 owners. :rolleyes: :neener:

    I'll probably update it every few pages or so. I may need to learn how to
    post a roster with multiple columns soon to keep from taking up so much vertical space ... :D
     
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  20. AStone

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    A few notes about different models

    Papa, I'd never even heard of that until now.

    Just did a google, and found this page on gunshopfinder about the 336CC. How cool.
    Anybody know if they're still in production, maybe as a special order?

    Had I known it existed, I'd have been tempted to buy it since I sort of like the idea of a camo stock.

    I was originally thinking about replacing a wood stock with synthetic,
    perhaps even one of Wild Dog's synthetic camo stocks.

    (I thought that a Wild Dog model for the Marlin 336 was due out soon; for a while they even had an image of the prototype on their web site, but it's gone now. Hmmm. Maybe they decided not to do it at least for now. :confused:
    It was reportedly going to fit models with barrel bands only, though, so it wouldn't have worked for me.)

    But since buying my A, I confess I've become pretty fond of the wood furniture, and am thinking I'll keep it stock (so to speak ) for at least a while. The advantage of a synth would be weight reduction, but I am finding that I like the way this rifle soaks up the already low recoil of the .30-30.)

    Speaking of A (fore end cap) v. C & W (barrel bands), a club member asked me by PM yesterday about why I chose an A instead of C or W, and in particular whether barrel bands made any significant difference v. fore end caps. My [slightly edited] response is below in case any one else if facing a similar decision.

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    You'll find most of my reasoning in choosing the A in this thread on C v. W and this one on A v. C.

    The short version: I learned that on a short carbine like a 336, barrel bands probably don't make much difference. On a target rifle, they may. Some writers assert that they do, some say no. But most feel that on a hunting rifle with a range of only 150 yds (200 tops), it probably isn't relevant.

    Yet, I have to admit, I chose the A for three reasons.

    1) It had a birch stock, which although not as aesthetic in the minds of some, is harder and probably more durable than the walnut stock on the C. Durability is more important to me than beauty.

    2) After a lot of reading on the Marlin site, I noticed that the large majority of Marlin lever guns now employ the front end cap rather than barrel bands. There's only about three or four Marlins that now use barrel bands: 336C, 336W and the 1894C. All the rest - including the big bores and the new XLR line - employ fore end caps. That suggested to me that perhaps Marlin knows something we don't.

    3) My 39A (which I bought a week before I got my 336A) has fore end cap, and for aesthetic reasons I just wanted consistency in appearance.

    So, in the end, I'm not sure it really matters that much in terms of functionality. I think I'd just go with wood choice, and which ever one feels intuitively best for you.

    I don't think you can go wrong in any case.
     
  21. PapaDog

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    I didn't know they made the 336CC until recently myself. I've emailed a gun dealer about the price on it but he hasn't replied back to me as of yet.
    Another dealer who has one is asking $380 + 20 FFL shipping...then you add
    the $25 fee on the FFL dealer on the other end the gun ends up costing $425.
    He did say that he thought the camo was a baked on finish and that it did not
    scratch easy. I kinda like the way it looks because like I said before I am going to buy 1 if not 2 marlin 30/30's sometime soon :D and I just wanted to know if any of you 336 gun people had one of these with the camo stock they could tell me more about.
     
  22. Dr.Rob

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    I promised this a while back... this is The 336 Texan I carried on many a hunting trip in my youth. It's been a 'back up rifle' in elk camp for years... and while it belongs to my brother (the source of most scratches and wear--lord he's tough on guns) many a 'guest' hunter has used it with success. I took an antelope in Wyoming with it and Federal red box 150 gr sp bullets. It's nicked and dinged and the old Tasco Pronghorn 2x7 on it still holds zero.

    These are somewhat hard to find these days, used ones don't come up for sale very often.
     

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    Hey guys - can I join!!!???
    I love seeing all these 336's in this thread. There is something just right about a good lever gun.
    I'd been seriously needing a good SHTF rifle, and was trying to decide between an AK, SKS or AR. I was fortunate to "gunsit" an AK and SKS for two different friends, and decided on the AK. But when I saw the 336 sitting all pretty and cute behind the counter, I couldn't leave her there.
    It may not be great for a running firefight:rolleyes: , but everything else I'll use it for (deer, black bear, hogs, targets) it should be fine.

    By the way, you can call me - "2na" if you really need to save keystrokes.
     
  24. electrode1998

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    336cc

    PaPaDog and Nem.
    Yes as of last year the 336 cc was available and it was not cheap!!!!! You had to order it, and they were hard to find.
    Probably good collectors item in the future and they were usually stainless finish from what I saw. I almost got one but it was out of my budget.
    That is why I went with the 336A and figured I would custom it out myself.
    Ramline is comming out with a synth. stock in mossy oak but it has barrel bands and not end caps so it will not fit the model A. Cost is about 80 dollars for the stock online.
    I have a few custom modifications in route for my 336A. When they arrive and get installed I'll try to post a pic for ya'll.
    Talk to ya'll later,
    Electrode1998
     
  25. AStone

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    While looking (googling) for an to a question about .30-30 rnds (see below),
    I found this essay comparing/contrasting Marlin 336 and Winchester '94.
    It's an interesting article. (I had it bookmarked, but had forgotten about it.)
    ________

    But here's my question: besides standard 150 and 170 gr factory loads, and Hornady LE 160's,
    are there any factory loads available for .30-30 that are less than 150 gr?

    Just before posting that question, I decided to check the Remington ballistics page on .30-30.
    There, I was reminded that they make a reduced recoil 125 gr,
    and I learned about a new (to me, at least) cartridge:
    the Remington .30-30 Accelerator (55 gr).

    The ballistics chart shows that 55 gr zeroed at 200 yds, but still respectable (-3.5") at 250.
    Muzzle velocity is 3400 fps, and at 200 yds still 2085. Sounds like a busy little bee. :D
    Admittedly, it's no .223 Rem, but still respectable (IMO) in a pinch for those without a .223.

    The later is billed as a "coyote cartridge",
    but I'd be willing to bet it's got some potential other uses, too. :)
    (One of which is plinking practice.)

    Any body used either the 125 gr or the 55 gr?
    Any thoughts to offer about either?
     

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