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The ACLU's Position Next Year?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Mainsail, Dec 31, 2007.

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  1. Mainsail

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    The following is from the ACLU’s website and gives their reasoning for not supporting the Second Amendment. If the Supreme Court finds the amendment does indeed recognize that firearms ownership is an individual right, the rational the ACLU is using will be moot. How do you think they will react? If they are forced to admit they had been mistaken, they would have to either put up or shut up. If they adjust their policies to accept that firearms ownership is every bit as much a civil right as free speech or freedom of the press, they will likely see a huge jump in requests for assistance because firearms ownership is arguably the most violated civil right out there. The text is below, with emphasis added:


    If you read some of their supporting statements, it appears that they ‘went out looking’ for reasons not to support gun ownership. They rely on misquotes and even pure hyperbole to bolster their position. One wonders what they will do if the framework they’ve built up to make these claims fails.
     
  2. El Tejon

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    The ACLU will continue to undermine the Constitution no matter what. The ACLU cannot support the Second Amendment as it prevents radical transformation of the USA into the socialist society of their ideals.
     
  3. Glockman17366

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    I'm actually surprised the ACLU hasn't involved itself in the Heller case. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing...

    I'd like to see cases such as Heller be initiated in CA, IL, MD and other anti-rights states. Wonder where the ACLU would go then.

    I do see the ACLU used selected quotes from the Miller case to make their point.
     
  4. El Tejon

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    Where the ACLU would go?:confused:

    The ACLU would be in opposition and in support of the goverment.
     
  5. Big45

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    ACLwho?
     
  6. strat81

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    They could just say, "Who cares what SCOTUS says, we still don't like the 2nd Amendment."
     
  7. Wolfgang2000

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    Bottom line, the ACLU is a communist based organization. Have you ever seen a communist country that supported the individual right of firearm ownership?



    And you won't.
     
  8. TexasRifleman

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    I think that's what pretty much all of them will do, many States included.
     
  9. TallPine

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    Wow - something I agree with them on :p
     
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    "If we can license and register cars, we can license and register guns."

    I love that one.

    'Cept cars don't guarantee the rest of the Amendments.
     
  11. El Tejon

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    If we can license newspapers . . . oh, wait a minute.:rolleyes:
     
  12. RPCVYemen

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    Please back up the claim that the ACLU has a socialist society as their idea. With some actual facts.

    Here's a pretty standard definition of socialsm:

    Mike
     
  13. Standing Wolf

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    They're not honest enough.
     
  14. El Tejon

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    Mike, you're kidding, right?:eek:

    From the very beginning the ACLU has been the stalking horse of socialism. It's purpose was to use the freedoms of America against America to destroy America.

    "I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself ... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

    Roger Baldwin (founder of the ACLU), 1935
     
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    Strong argument - almost all communist countries respect freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, due process, right against self-incrimination, right? ALCU fights daily for those freedoms because it's a communist front, right?

    You knocked 'em for a loop with that one.

    Mike
     
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    Oops, you forgot to tell the rest of the story. I am sure that was only an accident - with no intent to mislead, so I will supply it from a Wikipedia article:

    So you have shown that one of the founders of the ACLU had a flirtation with communism, and soundly rejected it - even to the point of purging the ACLU of Communist Party members.

    That's your strongest proof that the ACLU has a socialist society as its ideal? You're kidding, right?

    Mike
     
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    I have to agree with RPC, just because they get their knickers all in a bunch about guns, doesn't necessarily make them Stalin's secret police.
     
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    im guessing bent backwards with their heads firmly lodged in their own rear ends...

    this is the same organization that decried the NYPD for conducting random bag searches in the subway, but had a sign at their own headquarters saying that bags were subject to search...

    this is the same group that fell all over them selves to find lawyers for terrorists at Gitmo, but refused to provide any help when US servicemen were charged with crimes that didnt occur...

    this is the same group that demands that crosses and nativity scenes be taken down from public lands, but then fights for the rights of muslims to have special prayer rooms "meditation rooms" in public univeristies

    they are the enemy within our own borders... frankly they are traitors
     
  19. TexasRifleman

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    Ummm, Socialism and Communism are not the same thing :)
     
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    If you want to discuss how to sway the ACLU once Heller is decided or what to do to change their position before Heller, a discussion in Activism would be appropriate. Otherwise this one's off topic.
     
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