The Almost-Best Knife Deal Ever

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Ka-Bar is known for making solid, reliable knives that are usually in the medium-low price range of quality knives. Their Zombie line that came out a few years ago features four large different blades with black coating and interchangeable black or bright lime ("toxic") green handle scales. A small task knife and some 550-like cord are also included in a large sheath. (Smaller Zombie line knives are now available, as well, including versions of the Dozier folder.)

I found the "Zombie Death Dagger" on a dramatic sale by BladeHQ last week. While not my favorite blade shape, I did like it better than some of the others. The steel is the perfectly adequate SK-5, and the knife was made in Taiwan. I figured that, for the price, it was hard NOT to buy a Ka-Bar with an 8.5" blade for less than $35 shipped!

Initial impressions: The box is fairly attractive, black with just a few toxic green accents. The sheath is close to being terrific. At least one review I saw online claimed that the sheath itself was worth the cost of the knife, and that's almost true.

The top of the knife has two straps, each secured with a snap. I can get the lower one on, which is enough to hold the knife in, but I haven't yet been able to manage to snap the top strap shut. Also, the little Archeron task knife has its own pouch, nicely lined with a hard liner. A strap with snap goes over this pouch, too.

The Archeron has a skeletonized handle with two main spaces.
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If the snap fit through the top of the Aracheron, the little knife would be almost impossible to accidentally dislodge. The snap only fits through the bottom space, however. This is still fairly secure, but it would have been so easy to ensure it was completely secure.

The Cordura sheath in other respects seems very well made. There is room for a few additional small items in a pouch on the outside of the sheath.

I think the there is no real point to the "squiggle" in the Archeron's blade. I believe the blade shape might make sense on a defensive knife, but detracts from utility on a task knife, while making it harder to sharpen.

The ZDD is a fairly good weight and balance. It's obviously much more a thruster than a chopper. The problem is the handle.

The handle was probably designed with the idea of being able to use multiple grips...but it's an abject failure. The over-prominent finger ridge 1/3 of the way down the handle ensure that working with the knife for more than a few minutes will be painful. If the handle was smaller, it could probably be comfortably held. If the user tries to get a low hold for maximum leverage, just holding under the finger ridge, there's not enough handle for even my medium-small hands to get a secure grip.

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There's an additional problem. All of the large Zombie knives appear to have the same handle. On dedicated choppers like the Pestilence, an upper guard is probably superfluous, but in the case of an outright dagger, for once, at least a small upper guard would have been a better choice than the ridged thumb ramp that's present.

This knife will be unsuitable for actual working. I'm going to send mine to someone to grind off the stupid finger ridge. I think the Zombie theme is cute, so long as the knives can actually be used. I am disappointed that no-one at Ka-Bar has realized these handles are badly designed.

The ZDD is out of production. I was going to wait to post a review until I had some time to see if the blade was capable of doing a decent job of slicing, piercing, and chopping light brush, but an email today has motivated me.

I am making this thread today because CDNN has the ZDD at an even lower, incredible price of $19.99. BladeHQ completely sold out theirs for $5 more.
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So, the handle isn't well designed, but it's up to you to decide whether you're willing to drop the price of a mediocre small folder on a large knife by a company with good QC...which happens to have a cruddy handle.

John
 

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I can buy a well-made knife that I didn't know existed (and don't need or have a use for) at a fraction of what it originally sold for? Define impulse shopper.

Jokes aside. What is this blade style good for, besides carving up a ham? Already got a carver in the kitchen.
 
Bobson,

Perhaps I should have been a little clearer on the specific reason I wanted to evaluate this knife. It wasn't an impulse buy.

Lots of people like to have a reasonably priced knife to toss into survival/go packs in all their vehicles. If the choice was this or a 4" Mora, this one would be more likely to perform better for larger outdoor tasks, even though the Mora of course will do delicate work better. I bought the ZDD to see if it could do a reasonable job in this role, but there is no way a Ka-Bar with an 8" blade is going to last long when it's selling for $20, which is why I gave my thoughts before I've had to chance to do more extensive testing.


John
 
Fair enough, that makes sense. Hadn't thought about it in that context. Thanks for clarifying a utilitarian task for this blade style. :)
 
I love ESEE and Becker (which is part of KaBar) for the same reason. For about $100, you can get a knife that will perform as well as any $700 knife money can buy...and be every bit as solidly built.
 
That also looks like a great deal, hso, but it's only a 4" blade. Even a thin 8" blade is going to chop better.

John
 
They named the original four knives after the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: Death, Pestilence, War and Famine. The Acheron companion knife is named after one of the rivers in the underworld of Greek mythology.

Ka-Bar expanded the ZK line with other knives, as I recall, but apparently the line was only ever marginally popular, as has been reported here.

I'd be more interested in reading a review of Ka-Bar's Ek knives, which they just started producing recently.
 
Bob, I hadn't noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out.

Yeah, I've always had a soft spot for Ek.
 
I have to say that I have two of the ZK knives, the Pestilence Chopper and the Famine Tanto. While the knives are perfectly serviceable, I'm really impressed by the sheaths, particularly the large pouch integrated into it. That pouch could be filled with survival items such as firestarters, compass, space blanket, etc. I wish more companies would incorporate such pouches into their knife sheaths.
 
How do you feel about the handles?

Have you chopped anything?
 
I've used the Pestilence chopper for light brush clearing around the house. Because of the thickness of the blade it's better at chopping woody stems than a standard machete is. It's also harder to sharpen than a standard machete, as you might expect.

As you have noticed, the finger ridge makes these knives clumsy in use. Fit and finish are good, and the grip is textured like rayskin and feels good, but the finger ridge should have either been omitted entirely or moved closer the blade and made smaller so that it becomes a singie-finger grip style.

On the Famine Tanto, I had to grind off some metal in the ricasso area because I found that the too-sharp tang ends, not to mention the wave-shaped serrations, made cutting oneself a distinct possibility. The single-sided integral guard that you have on your Death Dagger would have been appreciated on the tanto. The tanto also includes a bare steel bird's beak at the pommel end that actually resembles a snake's fang. This feature can help give leverage when chopping and allows for more effective draw cuts, but since it is bare steel would cause abrading during prolonged use, as well as gouging the owner when sheathed if it wasn't positioned carefully on the belt.

Ka-Bar apparently got good feedback on this serpent fang feature, because the additional knives in the ZK series - - the "Zomstro Cleaver Machete," the "Swabbie" (a sort of scimitar/cutlass), and the "Chop Stick" (reminiscent of the orc swords from Lord of the Rings) all feature this serpent's fang.
 
Thank you for the additional information. I plan on having the ridge entirely removed on mine.
 
They cry out for mods and luckily they're at a price point for people to play with them.
 
It's just sad that a good company like Ka-Bar released knives with such poorly designed handles.
 
They were copied off the Johnsons which were boar knives so not an ideal choice for choppers or bushcraft tools.

Steve Johnson is a hunter and a beef producer so his focus was on killing and processing large tough animals as opposed to bushcraft.
 
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The problem is that the finger ridge will be the wrong size for probably 90%+ of potential users.
 
Wrong for my little monkey paws, for sure. Luckily, I have a grinder or two around if I want to score one and "improve" it. Sadly, not everyone is so equipped.
 
EK Knives has had a long and very proud reputation but from the looks of the new KaBar "EK's", I think they'll finally die out.

Even under different companies, the EK Knives always kept their style. I don't know why KaBar thought that a radical change would be necessary. While I haven't had the chance to use or even handle one of the new knives, they just look cheap.
 
While I haven't had the chance to use or even handle one of the new knives, they just look cheap.

I have and they don't feel cheap when you actually handle one.
 
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They don't look like either old, or new EK's though.

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The WWII ones were crudely made but very effective.

The later Effingham ones like this were nearly indestructible sharpened pry-bars that fit and gripped your hand like an old glove.
But still very effective!

The new Kabar version EK just doesn't carry the same mystic visual property's, at least to me.

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I wouldn't have parkerized the blades since a lot of people will want them to look more like the bright finish knives of the past, but there were plenty of Eks that were parked so wadda I know.

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There are plans to offer micarta scales as an accessory.
 
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I'm sure they'll offer them in bright as well. KaBar doesn't miss too many opportunities.
 
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