The Antis are wearing me down.

[Green Lantern]

Not a lot, but it's getting downright depressing....

I've initiated and joined in discussions on RKBA lately, and find myself "bumfuzzled" by the sheer anti-gun attitudes I get and see (down to the outright HATEFUL, one guy wrote into a local paper saying that all gun owners should pack up their weapons and LEAVE THE USA and go to a third world country that would "welcome" us. Another at a site where a guy said he would "kick the ____" out of anyone he caught packing a gun.

I've referenced Oleg's "A Human Right" site and even that just seems to get them riled up more when they check it out (if they even bother to read it).

One guy said it was biased, another said " That site you sent me was the most one-sided rhetoric I have ever read."

:banghead:

I especially love how some people from the UK say it's wrong for Americans to suggest that our way is "better," then go on to say that THEIR way is better.

Funny - I reference stories of old women being assaulted by "yobs" over there and getting arrested for RESISTING - and they seem to "ignore" that...

 

[El Tejon]

All together now:

1.
We shall overcome
We shall overcome
We shall overcome some day

CHORUS:
Oh, deep in my heart
I do believe
We shall overcome some day

2.
We'll walk hand in hand
We'll walk hand in hand
We'll walk hand in hand some day

CHORUS

3.
We shall all be free
We shall all be free
We shall all be free some day

CHORUS

4.
We are not afraid
We are not afraid
We are not afraid some day

CHORUS

5.
We are not alone
We are not alone
We are not alone some day

CHORUS

6.
The whole wide world around
The whole wide world around
The whole wide world around some day

CHORUS

7.
We shall overcome
We shall overcome
We shall overcome some day

CHORUS

Keep your head up. Laugh. No one is shooting at you, so where's the hardship? Stay in the fight.

 

[geekWithA.45]

Some people's minds are firmly closed, and you're just not going to get any traction with them.

Knowing this, Jesus advised his followers to shake the dust from their sandals when they weren't welcomed, and move along to more fertile fields.

 

[Browns Fan]

GL, hang in there, bro, we are here for ya!

 

[JWarren]

People with the attitudes you have indicated will never change. They live within an ideological bubble where ideas dissimilar to theirs do not exist. Arguing with them is like trying to nail jello to the wall.

Just HAVE to make a couple comments, however:

one guy wrote into a local paper saying that all gun owners should pack up their weapons and LEAVE THE USA and go to a third world country that would "welcome" us.

Considering OUR country came with the 2nd Amendment pre-installed, perhaps THIS COUNTRY isn't at all set up for their ideological stance. It is a far more valid proposition that THEY go to some other country where threre is no 2nd Amendment. The US was here before their idiotic ideology. There are plenty of places that are already set up for such idiocy. I'll even buy a plane ticket for some if I have to.

Another at a site where a guy said he would "kick the ____" out of anyone he caught packing a gun.

I think that would be a VERY VERY VERY poor idea.


--John

 

[ojibweindian]

Another at a site where a guy said he would "kick the ____" out of anyone he caught packing a gun.

Too many episodes of "Kung fu" .

Don't worry about the antis. Someday (beats me as to when, but it is said that no one will know the hour), they'll figure things out. Of course, by then they'll be screwed, but at least we can say "told ya".

 

[ojibweindian]

Oh, and Geek called it exactly right.

 

[ZeSpectre]

GL
Remember the term Hoplophobia. Phobias are a mental condition and are not open to logical discussion. If you determine that you are in a debate with a Hoplophobe...stop and walk away. There is no point in attempting to debate with a mental illness.

That will save you a LOT of energy for discussion with people who may be rational, if uneducated, about matters regarding firearms, RKBA, and the Bill of Rights on the whole.

The real trick, of course, is determining if someone is truely a Hoplophobe or just very, very, programmed. <sigh>.

Of course even in a non-hoplophobe situation if you get tired of the debate (feel like you are banging your head on a wall) you can always say "I guess we just agree to disagree" and walk away.

 

[Notch]

The folks out there who believe that they are to be taken care of from birth to death are really pathetic. For them the police entirely fill in the duties their dad and mom once performed. They take no responsibilities for their own safety, always having someone to run to.
Can you imagine where mankind would be now if folks like that were more prevalent previously?.

 

[El Tejon]

Notch, in the jaws of wolves?

 

[cbsbyte]

If you think its bad where you live, it always could be worst. I live in Mass and the local media has been pushing non stop for more gun bans since VT shooting. The majority of the population of this state is in full agreement.

 

[Megistopoda]

Where have you been engaging the antis? Other forums?

Anyway, one of my favorite quotes, that quickly comes to mind at times like this, is by Kris Kristofferson:

"Tell the truth, stand your ground, and don't let the bastard's get you down."

 

[tinygnat219]

Keep at it! Be polite, but be firm. The Antis rhetoric is actually a blessing in disguise for the RKBA. If you read their comments, they come off sounding like a bunch of idiots. My tactic would be to address a group of them and then stateIf you actually get an intelligent, polite response coming back, engage them and ignore the others. I know it feels like: :banghead:
However, keep at it.

 

[plexreticle]

I don't bother reading or looking at the anti's brainwashed ideas.

 

[Baba Louie]

Our Founding Fathers created a nation wherein every man could and should be armed in order to live in a free state. Some of your opponents might not know that. They might be taught. Others, who invite you to leave, should be reminded of that fact and offered the same chance to leave the one nation on earth that not only allows their citizens to be armed, but insisted the fact be inserted into their new Constitution before they would ratify it.
No need to point out the fact that should push come to shove, either they are armed and ready to act, which would show them to be hypocrites of the first order, or they give ground to those American citizens who take the right of self defense, both personal and national, literally.

"It doesn't require a majority to prevail, but rather, an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires to people's minds." Sam Adams

Know, however, that the above quote is a double edged sword.

So Green Lantern, keep up the fight, remembering Mr. Shakespeares St. Crispins Day speech from Henry V, "We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;"

 

[NM234]

I have to laugh at the "kick the **** out of anyone packing a gun", all I would have to say if I was packing (which I don't have a CCW, nor will I probably get one soon, being 21 I'm guessing age discrimination would prevent that (though I've heard NH is a state where they can't discriminate if you have the proper training etc., also there is no state law against carrying a rifle or shotgun, does that mean in NH I could keep a rifle or shotgun in the back of my car for defense w/o a CCW?)) is "Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to stop your agression immediately, do not step forward. Place your hands on your head. Put your hands behind your back, you are under citizen's arrest for assualt." Actually, I would probably just have the cops come pick him up for attacking someone with every legal right to CCW. I wouldn't want to have to listen to him all the way to the station. I do have a serious question though, I have a back problem which would make it harder to defend myself unarmed against another unarmed man; so if someone rushed to attack me would I legally be justified to pull the gun out even if they do not have a weapon? (if I had a CCW obviously) I mean, someone CAN kill you with their fist, especially if they are angry and hit you while your down etc.

 

[mike101]

Yooz Want Somma Dis ?

If you would like a battle, go to the Huffington Post. Nastiest, most insulting antis on earth.

You must be polite, or they will not post your post. They can call you whatever they want, but you have to keep cool.

I tried to post the two quotes in your signature, from Wes Clark and Himmler, 2 or 3 times. They wouldn't print it.

Enjoy

 

[mec]

"If you read their comments, they come off sounding like a bunch of idiots..."
More like raving maniacs. Most of those political sites attract the unproductive, irresponsible non-self-supporting maggots who don't have anything else to occupy their time.

The guy who would "kick the &*&& out of anybody....." is the reason people carry guns in the first place. Unless he picks victims a lot larger than himself, (sure) he's likely to get himself justifiably shot.

 

[ATW525]

also there is no state law against carrying a rifle or shotgun, does that mean in NH I could keep a rifle or shotgun in the back of my car for defense w/o a CCW?

You can't have a loaded longarm in your car in NH. It's a fish and game violation. The best you can do is an unloaded longarm with loaded magazines that aren't attached to the rifle or shotgun.

 

[Bob M.]

Antis.....

Arguing with them is like trying to nail jello to the wall.

Hahahahahahaaha

Perfect!!

 

[NM234]

Thank You ATW525, I was gonna end up having to call the state police to have them clarify. How quickly can you load a rifle w/a detachable magazine (I def. would take safety courses, both the basic and carry course before even carrying the unloaded long gun)? I've heard a couple seconds if your good.

 

[Art Eatman]

Aw, Green Lantern, wait 'til you've been at it for some forty years. I've managed to hang on since all the squabble over GCA '68.

If I can, you can.

, Art

 

[K-Romulus]

don't worry

Whenever I get like you, my wife asks why I care about (her words):

"A bunch of lunatics on the internet. Of course they're nuts - but why are YOU arguing with them?!"

 

[Checkman]

I like the folks who take a few Karate/Judo etc. classes and then think they have it all over folks with guns. Spiritual purity or something. I know a fella with years of experience in some type of martial art(s). He laughs at that attitude. Likes to point out that the peasents on Okinawa (among other places) developed the disciplines in response to the fact that they were not allowed arms, but while they were formidable the Samurais with their swords and bows and spears were stillthe ones in charge.

Up close I wouldn't take him on, I'm not stupid either. But he points out that what good is all his ability at twenty feet against a well placed .357 magnum round. Not all of us have the time or money to take lessons for years. Their is a reason why folks used to say that Colt made men equal. Stupid Libs/gun grabbers.So violent whne it comes to those who don't agree with them. Do you think they know that the NAZI party was actually a leftist organization?

 

[Oleg Volk]

You can work on those people. Discuss the abstract right of a living creature to resist aggression. Then use an example of a rabid dog as an opponent -- could they take it with bare hands? If not, could they stop it with a stick? If they are permitted a stick, why not any other -- more effective -- weapon for them or for less physically strong persons. Stress the egalitarian, equalizing nature of good weapons for preserving those less strong. Explain that some cultures killed the weak by exposure to the elements, whereas deprivation of arms kills over time by exposure to on-going hazards.