The AR Platform Has Won

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I think part of the recent sucess of the AR is the new caliber options, the 223 is a good choice as a military round but some of the other new rounds have opend things up, the 223 is a poor deer hunting round (yes I have seen it done, not impressed) but the 6.5 Grendal and the 6.8SCP have vastly expanded the versitility of the AR, giving it the lethality of the AK with the accuracy the AR platform is known for. Improvements in the feeding reliablity of the ARs have helped too. I would personaly love to build a SPC carbine, lots of firepower in a small package. The 300 blackout deserves honorable mention as well.
 
I have a AR set up for hunting critters (coyotes, groundhogs, turkey) I now want one to deer hunt with. But I can't decide 6.8 upper and later a dedicated lower, or blow some major cash and buy a 7mm-08 R-25.
 
The AR is not as good as some other platforms at specialized tasks, but with the right upper it covers alot of bases very well. I liked the accuracy, light weight and fast handling back in the 60's. Until recently I did not think they were up to deer hunting but I have been proven wrong. With good 5.56 they do fine and better with the 6.8 in reasonable range.
 
You can have a bolt action AR. Just get an adjustable gas block and turn the gas off - presto! A bolt action. And you can get a side charger if that makes it a little more familiar.
 
We can thank the AWB for this in my opinion. Tell folks they can't have something and it makes them want it more. The surge started during the ban when companies simply made AR's that met the AWB requirements. When the ban ended and new magazines could be sold AR sales took off.

Competition from many companies has driven the price down to the point where a good AR can be purchased for less than a good bow.
 
When the Service Rifle shooters figured out how to make the AR accurate, that really helped the popularity of the rifle.

Besides the mall ninjas and home defense crowd, now the rifle appeals to hunters and target shooters as well.

With the improvement in accuracy, it makes it worth while to chamber the AR platform in other calibers. The modular design helps as well.

My unscientific survey of gun shows in my parts show that AR stuff at the gun shows is less now than even in 2009 when ARs just could not be had at almost any price.
 
chrt396 said:
I was told by one of the participants in the Tampa Bay gun shows, that the AR platform is saturated to the point where the vendors cannot even sell their wares anymore. They can't GIVE them away!

Sure they can. And I'll even pay shipping or drive a truck to pick up their wares. :)
 
It only took 50 years to make the AR platform work reliably. It wins at nothing.
I'd strongly suggest you read your history. The design was perfectly fine as Eugene Stoner engineered it. When Robert McNamara and his whiz kids changed things that Stoner told them were critical to function of the rifle it didn't work. Don't blame the AR-15; blame McNamara for killing men by trying to save a buck.
It wouldn't have gotten 50 million chances if the military had actually gone to something that made sense,
The HK SL8 / G36 bolt carrier group is a copy of the Armalite AR-18 bolt carrier group. The bolts are identical in design to those of the AR-15 / M-16.

The FN SCAR and MagPul Masada / Bushmaster ACR are evolutions of the AR-15's modular design. Their controls follow those of the AR-15 / M-16 not only because they're familiar to those in US Military service, but because they work very well.
 
I very much agree. The reliability issue was solved decades ago. It was companies other than Colt entering the race that really stepped up competition and popularity.

I think it wins at several things, and places in ALL things.

If your AR-10 variant won't shoot as accurately as a bolt rifle, I suggest you have it looked at. With some tweaks, it should be every bit as accurate. The LR-308 I shoot was just as accurate as the stock Remington 700 VS .308 I had. As others have hinted, if I could get one in long-action calibers, and if someone would make an upper that would cycle 22-250, I would use nothing else.
 
The AR has some very strong interests going for it. First, over 20 million prior servicemen and women have been trained on it. They all have an intimate knowledge of how easy it is to operate and tear one down for cleaning. They all know how to put it back together right the first time. That is the biggest pretrained and sold user group that has ever existed.

It's the one design that continues to influence modern rifle designs - not the AK. First, the barrel extension, which allows a light receiver made of polymer or extruded aluminum. Name a new battle rifle that doesn't use it - the ACR, XCR, ARX, SCAR, L129A1, etc. All barrel extension designs, and most also use the control layout, which is proven superior.

The modularity also carries over, and inventing the Picitinny rail and mounting it on the cutdown upper was a stroke of genius. Now we have a universal optics mount, and every maker can use it.

AR's aren't going away, we're just seeing a bit of a downturn because disposable income in a recession isn't there. AR's are more like smartphones, if you want to do something different or just get it the way you want, they have an app for that. With the same lower and stock, you can do a CQB suppressed 12" in .300 BO, a 16" 6.8 with rifle handguards for deer and hog, a 20" 5.56 with scope and bipod for prairie dogs, or a 24" 6.5G for precision shooting at 600m. And that leaves out the big bores, and the AR10, too.

Can you do that with an AK? Can you even build four different AK's like that, and have all the parts ship to your front door and assemble them next week Thursday afternoon?

What's horribly ironic is that the American shooter finally gets a gun that he can make his way with very little complication or hassle, from .204 Ruger to .50 BMG, and yet some people just don't see it as exactly what we've been wanting for decades and couldn't get from all the makers. They would never cooperate and deliver one platform to do it - but like the internet, now we have it, and we're not likely to go back to a world where every gun was a unique proprietary action and good luck finding accessories. Yet, some still complain about it.

It's Lego, it eats it own residue, it's underpowered, whatever. What they won't do is quit carping about it. Here's why - IT'S THE ACKNOWLEDGED LEADER IN DOING NEARLY EVERYTHING BETTER. They don't pick on something universally regarded as a poor design, they set their sights for the Big Kahuna, the front runner, the One.

It's just starting to hit it's stride. If the Army picks a new non-compatible design, it will just fuel the fire even more.

The AR-15. It's here to stay.
 
It's Lego, it eats it own residue, it's underpowered, whatever. What they won't do is quit carping about it. Here's why - IT'S THE ACKNOWLEDGED LEADER IN DOING NEARLY EVERYTHING BETTER. They don't pick on something universally regarded as a poor design, they set their sights for the Big Kahuna, the front runner, the One.

You have to like a guy who speaks with passion; especially if you agree with him. hahahhaah
 
For all the reasons listed above the AR has also probably insured Americas 2A for many years in a way no other single design could have done.
 
I just recently joined the AR world with a DPMS Panther 308. I love it. Let's see, reverse the thinking............ If the AR came first with modular design, interchangability, great accuracy and multiple calibers............ would you then go back to a bolt action? Not me. What's not to like? OK, I'll agree that it does cost a little more in purchase price but I'll spend a lot more on ammo than the initial cost of the weapon. My AR 308 sure seems to shoot a lot softer than the bolt actions.
 
Question:
An AR and an AK are dropped into a mud puddle for 1 minute.
You are told that the armed man that is 50 yards away will shoot you in 5 seconds.
Which rifle do you pick up and fire?
 
An AR and an AK are dropped into a mud puddle for 1 minute.
You are told that the armed man that is 50 yards away will shoot you in 5 seconds.
Which rifle do you pick up and fire?

50 yards and 5 seconds AK every time...250 yards AR move and clean!! hahahah
 
Not knowing who made either gun and my familiarity I would go for the AR any day. If you look at the whole spectrum of manufacturers of each design there is a much wide chasm of quality in the AK world IMO.
If you are talking top tier of each at 50 I might change my mind, what would your choice be at 500?
 
Question:
An AR and an AK are dropped into a mud puddle for 1 minute.
You are told that the armed man that is 50 yards away will shoot you in 5 seconds.
Which rifle do you pick up and fire?

AR reliability issues have been vastly overblown.

In my personal (and obviously anecdotal) experience, ARs are more reliable than AKs.

Also, this supposed "test" is really not indicative of anything other than idle day dreaming. Unless you are willing to actually conduct such a test (and I don't know of any sane person who would engage in a test that is bound to have a lethal outcome) this scenario really tells us absolutely nothing.

In the real world, i.e. the one where people don't just post idle "tests" that they made up, but actually have to use and employ rifles to accomplish a particular goal, AR-pattern guns are the overwhelming choice.

If that's not good enough, I suppose you could always watch this AK vs. AR dirt and dust test video.
 
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