scout26
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Antarctica ???
The "Best Place on Earth" for gun owners?
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armoredman
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Then the dirty UNdies can get out.
nwilliams
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+1 on Arizona
To add to what armoredman said AZ also recognizes any States concealed weapons permit, so if you have a permit from anywhere in the US you can conceal legally in AZ!
Of course I'm bias because I love this State. Although I love New Mexico also and they are a pretty good State for gun ownership. One advantage NM has over AZ is when it comes to vehicles in your car. AZ is pretty strict when it comes to guns in vehicles if you don't have an CCL. NM on the other hand has extended domain law, so cars are considered an extension of your home, so you can have a gun anywhere in your vehicle permit or not. For that reason its hard to say that Arizona is better when it comes to gun laws than NM.
Of course I'm sure there are other countries that have less restrictive gun laws than the US, but all the ones I can think of are places that I wouldn't care to live.
To add to what armoredman said AZ also recognizes any States concealed weapons permit, so if you have a permit from anywhere in the US you can conceal legally in AZ!
Of course I'm bias because I love this State. Although I love New Mexico also and they are a pretty good State for gun ownership. One advantage NM has over AZ is when it comes to vehicles in your car. AZ is pretty strict when it comes to guns in vehicles if you don't have an CCL. NM on the other hand has extended domain law, so cars are considered an extension of your home, so you can have a gun anywhere in your vehicle permit or not. For that reason its hard to say that Arizona is better when it comes to gun laws than NM.
Of course I'm sure there are other countries that have less restrictive gun laws than the US, but all the ones I can think of are places that I wouldn't care to live.
sailortoo
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Thank you nwilliams, for standing up for NM. We are a bit new on CCW, but every two years we have an opportunity to correct some of the initial short comings. 2009 will see another effort to get even better! 
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armoredman
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Actually, AZ allows handguns in a vehicle if in a case, holster, or scabbard designed for firearms. So, if you have a handgun stuffed in a soft case, it's legal, carried as "luggage". Also, a recent chage allows carry in the map pocket of your car door. Getting better all the time!
There ya go -http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/03102.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS
EricTheBarbarian
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the US about 1920.
The Phillippines have good gun laws. I don't think full autos are allowed to be sold there but IIRC it is legal to convert semis to full auto.
In Panama after passing an instant drug test (you literally urinate in a cup in the bathroom of the gun shop) you can buy anything but a full auto. There is no such thing as an SBR or SBS in Panama, because there are no restrictions on barrel length. If you own it, you can carry it. However, open carry will draw police attention and isn't recommended.
By the way, in "Sealand" no one may bear arms unless they are part of the "guard."
In Panama after passing an instant drug test (you literally urinate in a cup in the bathroom of the gun shop) you can buy anything but a full auto. There is no such thing as an SBR or SBS in Panama, because there are no restrictions on barrel length. If you own it, you can carry it. However, open carry will draw police attention and isn't recommended.
By the way, in "Sealand" no one may bear arms unless they are part of the "guard."
Bellevance
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Vermont and Alaska.
Titan6
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We allow them is kind of a poor interpretation of Iraqi law unless you are an Iraqi government official. Iraqi's are allowed full autos with no restrictions but only allowed to carry one magazine at a time. Finland is not bad, France isn't either but the parts of the US are much better (see above)
Dan Forrester
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Matt304 said:
frankie the yankee said:
His definition has nothing to do with concealed carry, registration, owner licensing or self defense. In the countries I listed full autos, SBRs, silencers, and importation requirements are either non existent or much more relaxed.
cbsbyte said:
I have done a search. That’s how I came to that conclusion. I’m not saying its better, just that it’s different. Easier access to class 3 toys in exchange for our CCW rights. An interesting thought.
cbsbyte said:
Yes I know quite a bit. I have one machine gun, half a dozen suppressors, and a grenade launcher already paid in full and waiting on my form 4 to come back in the mail.
You just said its supply and demand. Close the registry and prices skyrocket. Who closed the registry? So who caused prices to skyrocket? Now look at what I said again.
Dark Tranquility said:
I’m pretty sure I remember reading on here a couple months ago that Africa has the lowest firearm ownership rate in the world.
Wikipedia has a good read on micronations for you private island guys. I can’t ever remember seeing a truly private island for sale. And yes I have been looking for years to find one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation
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The Viking
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France has some silly regulations, like restrictions on military calibers, CCW only in theory, and probably some more. Scandinavia? All licenses for pistols are restricted to 5 years here in Sweden if they were issued after 2000. Gotta apply again after that. Also restrictions on how many you can own. Pepperspray, Tasers, teargas and other less than lethals are subject to impossible to get licenses. Also, EBR's are so restricted its silly, can't use them for hunting.
Face it, the US has the best gun laws in general, unless you start counting all those uncivilised places that are barely fit to call countries.
frankie_the_yankee
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What I can't figure out about this thread is why anyone in their right mind would care whether some 3rd world hellhole/pesthole might happen to have easier access to more kinds of guns than we have here.
Among the civilized countries of the world, the USA has easily the best gun laws, with places like Isreal and Switzerland pretty close behind. Some might say Isreal has better laws, but it's debatable. And besides, Isreal is a quasi-war zone, with wide regions subject to rocket attacks and other wanton violence.
Here in Smithville, I can buy, own, and carry pretty much whatever I might want or need for sport or self defense. And if I ever have to use a gun to protect myself or my family, I have the benefit of some of the best laws in the country as regards the protection of life and property.
And Smithville has the advantage of never having been subjected to a rocket attack as far as anyone knows.
Does it make any sense to assert that it may be "better" in Somalia because I could ride around in a pickup with a "ma deuce" mounted in the bed?
Has anyone ever tried to buy cortisone cream in Somalia?
Among the civilized countries of the world, the USA has easily the best gun laws, with places like Isreal and Switzerland pretty close behind. Some might say Isreal has better laws, but it's debatable. And besides, Isreal is a quasi-war zone, with wide regions subject to rocket attacks and other wanton violence.
Here in Smithville, I can buy, own, and carry pretty much whatever I might want or need for sport or self defense. And if I ever have to use a gun to protect myself or my family, I have the benefit of some of the best laws in the country as regards the protection of life and property.
And Smithville has the advantage of never having been subjected to a rocket attack as far as anyone knows.
Does it make any sense to assert that it may be "better" in Somalia because I could ride around in a pickup with a "ma deuce" mounted in the bed?
Has anyone ever tried to buy cortisone cream in Somalia?
cbsbyte
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Israel has terrible gun laws. That topic has been covered to death on this site. Israel laws are some of the worst in the world. Nothing like the US. Switzerland is also not that great, espescially with the requirements to own a firearm. If you actually read the laws you will see who bad they are compared to most US laws.
Some Israel gun laws.
1) must be 21.
2) must live in Israel for 3 consecuetive years.
3) Personal use only
4) a. Part-time reservist (volunteer) for 3 years- may own 1 handgun
b. Such a reservist (volunteer) is a member of a gun club- may own 1rifle
c. Professional, licensed public transportation driver, transportinga minimum of 5 passengers- may own 1 handgun
d. Licensed animal control officer- may own 2 hunting rifles, *not*full automatic weapons, or semi-automatic weapons with a limitedcapacity magazine.
e. Full-time dealer of jewelry or large sums of cash or valuables-may own 1 handgun
Not too great now is it.
Well have you read the actual laws, and requirements to own firearms in the countries you listed? Because if you did you withdraw what you stated. None of the countries are that great. While I agree they are different in many ways to the US. In Finland there are many gun owners but most of them only own hunting rifles. Very few people own handguns. In Switzerland every time a citizen wants to buy a gun they need to get a license, and the same for ammo. CCW is only legal if it pretains to a person job.
The gun culture in the rest of the world is different compared to the US. While in the US people own guns for hunting and self protection. In Europe it is mostly for hunting and sport shooting. In many countries self defense with a firearm is illegal, or at least frowned upon. In many countries firearms where not owned by common citizens but only the elites. The need for firearms was different than in the US. Where people had to learn to fend for themselves. In Europe most countries had large standing militaries, and police forces so guns where always heavily restricted for use by civilians.
Bellevance
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Of all the world's reasonably civilized countries and their territories, the country with the most flexible and lenient laws for the private ownership of firearms is the USA. Among these United States, a handful (like Vermont and Alaska) are much less restrictive than most others.
There's no place better than right here, and I for one have no doubt that it will stay that way.
Neo-Luddite
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Titan 6: I'll grant you it was a politically loaded hi-handed statment on my part and a poor choice of pronoun. I didn't know about the magazine restriction. Happy New Year!
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rugerman07
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Kennesaw, Georgia!
Autolycus
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I would say it varies on what aspect your looking at. CCW, full auto, silencers, etc.
Thin Black Line
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Because of daily black-outs, lack of clean water, fresh sewage flowing down
the street, and the occassional suicide bomber? What about the potential
for exciting night-life? Oh darn, there's that curfew again....
Titan6
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The easiest answer to this question is to look at the government. Is the government intrusive in all parts of their citizens lives or does not give a hoot at all about them except as subjects? There you will find bad gun laws. The worse the place is, the worse the laws. The writers of the constitution knew what they were doing...
Autolycus
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I like the definition Titan6 has just stated. Look at the government.
Hk91-762mm
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I have a friend in norway-he ownes several full autos inc a sig 551.
Im in NYstinking state -I want to move to NH as VT is a hi Tax state
Im in NYstinking state -I want to move to NH as VT is a hi Tax state
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