The Big Heller Decision Discussion Thread - AFFIRMED 2ND AS INDIVIDUAL RIGHT

A great outcome in a landmark case. Hopefully this is showing a shift in the general attitude of the gov't towards firearms.

 

When they go to the DC licensing office and ask for a license for something that they don't have a license for, thus admitting that they are currently in violation of the law and thus subject to prosecution and incarceration.

 

How will this ruling help D.C. residents?

Are there even any gunstores in D.C., since citizens cannot buy handguns across state lines?

 

to the Gloom and Doomers.......read the whole opinion first.........

While the ruling does discuss the right to self defense (which is a good thing) it also mentions the other rationale behind a "well regulated militia" above.

 

Its great to here that our side won, happy day!

 

Yes, I think we agree. I guess a better way to phrase that would be DOA with THIS Court.

No doubt about this. This ruling is much closer than it should have been. We came closer to getting scalped than I would have thought possible. We really need some new Justices.

 

/\ Indeed.......

 

ctdonath:
DC law does not prohibit its residents from owning weapons outside the district. I know of at least one indoor range in MD that set up a deal where you give them the money for a weapon and they store it for you, it is 'your' weapon, made available to you anytime you want to shoot it at their range or transfer to you upon either the ban being gone or you leaving DC.

Kharn

 

What's this mean?

So your saying, not to vote for Hilary and Obama?

 

On Foxnews....


Wayne LaPierre just announced that they (NRA) are filing suits in Chicago and its surrounding suburbs today.



-- John

 

^ Excellent. Everyone keep in mind that this case is just the beginning. We'll see a lot of suits being filed around the country over the coming months. The directly relevant ones like that (Chicago) I expect will fall quickly, then we can move on to the 922(o) debate and such.

 

I think this is the fastest growing thread I've ever seen on THR!

The opinion is kind of what I expected. It's not exactly bad, but it's also not what I would have liked.

 

We are way better off now, we have grounds to halt any AWB that might get passed. You could make a court argument to unban the machinegun registry now also.

One step forward.

 

Check out Huffpo!!!

 

Time to call my sister and BIL to offer them FREE one of my handguns after the Chicago handgun ban dies a miserable death. Hades, I'd even be willing to pay the shipping and FFL fees on both ends.

 

i guess we just need to take baby steps. i think i was rooting for a neil armstrong type step, you know... one giant step for the constitution... if we have to chip at it slowly, i guess i can live with that.

 

You apparently didn't read the majority opinion all the way through, did you?

It's a relatively narrowly applied decision. The majority opinion specifically said the 2A in no way allows whatever, wherever, or however possession and use of firearms. You are not even a tiny step forward to getting MGs.

Read the opinion.

K

 

^ The opinion is still unclear. Most of us have read it, and there are portions of it that imply that MGs may be OK (p.58), and they may not be. What is clear is that the court did not decide such a matter, and we're going to have to work on it. No need to get snappy at people over this. How exactly would the statement concerning "whatever, wherever, or however possession and use of firearms" clearly prohibit simply allowing new manufacture MGs to be available, but still subject to NFA requirements? The fact is, we are one step closer to just about everything with this case. That one step may be all we get, but the establishment of an individual right, and the mere mention that individuals may require more advanced weaponry to be as effective as 1700s militia is a good enough sign for now. I doubt that the MG issue will be challenged, much less resolved, in the next decade, but it's a start.

 

Although Heller does not solve all of the problems, it sure provides a stable, definable platform for future legislative measures.

Hooray for Today!

 

True... this is a blow to any hopes of opening the MG registry.



-- John

 

I just want to say thanks to Mr. Heller for manning up and getting the ball rolling.
I'm sure the stress has likely taken days, months, or even years off his life.

 

The blitzkrieg is on. The floodgates are open.

D.C. is finally free... Man... I'm 17 and I thought I wasn't going to see the day!

The fight is not over yet... but we have won a major victory that could be the ace in the hole, judicially.

Too bad ol' Chuck wasn't alive for this... God knows he's up there celebrating along with us.

 

jaak:

A better analogy might be a "trip & fall" than a "step". That is what sense happend to DC. Heller stuck out a foot and tobbled the clowns. Now, all the clowns following blindly along will trip and fall over the DC case. I love Dominos.



Doc2005

 

Wow! I never thought I'd live to see the day.

I am so glad and proud to be an American!

 

But you have to understand legal writing, nowhere did they say that it dissalowed it in those circumstances either. Everyone is reading too much into the decision.

All we needed:

- Individual right ruling.
- Circuit court's invalidating D.C. Ban affirmed.

Everything else is to be fought in the legislature as usual, or in future cases.