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the BP mouseguns club.

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Busyhands94, May 20, 2011.

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  1. kBob

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    Since folks seem to like the hinged wonders.

    Forehand & Wadsworth .32 S&W six shot
    "Eagle" .38 S&W five shot
    I forgot and already let it get away .32S&W five shot

    These guns were the guns Linda E. Evans played with for reaserch in her Time Scout Series from Baen Books with RObert Asprin a decade ago. SHe fired a couple of wax bullet loads in the little five shot to get a feel for their use.

    WHen I was about 22 or so a gunsmith friend offered me as many from a large file draw that was full as I wanted, as long as I promised not to shoot them. These things had an awful rep before the CASS crowd started paying rediculous amonts for them , loading them with BP loads and shooting them in side matches.

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    The new kid on the block, still have not shot it.....

    No name PF(?) marked Italian proofed brasser .31 1849 Colt Repro Chistened Kinder Klunker in a photo I call Klunker und Sohne.

    I do like that both lack the pietta trumpet grip and both have a bit more curl on the hammers than others on the market today I think. It has the stage coach scene but the banners are blank an
     

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    I just had to have a pepperbox and what I got was this. Not a very good example. Terrible trigger pull and it is "double action sort of" Pulling tyhe trigger cocks and releases the hammer, unfortunately the barrels must be roatated by hand.

    Still I can say I have played with one though as I have not found .345 ball locally I have yet to fire it. I may take a page from Busyhands and load it with shot one day...unless I find someone that wants it more than me first.

    Front end does make a statement though, eh?

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    and who in the 1970's did not consider wasting money on an "Ace"?

    The finished one is actually rifled and the tinkered with half finished kit is a smooth bore. I tossed the ram road and rings on both as useless and in the way and have yet to come up with a satisfactory way to fill the dovetails.

    The wooden box is a Penzey's Spice gift box I have dreams of turning into a two story presentation box.

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    Here's one of mine. It's my 1862 Pocket Popo, by Uberti. Imported and sold by Cimarron. I looked at a similar one (but with the 5.5" barrel) at an LGS and it was nowhere near as smooth (action) as mine. The one in the LGS was not Cimarron.

    My other poodle-shooter is a Palmetto 1863 Remington pocket .31.
    Don't have pics of it, yet.

    To be so small, the pocket police feels really good in my big, meaty claws.
     
  6. Busyhands94

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    Very cool Jaymo! Does she shoot as good as she looks?
     
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    She pops caps reliably. Haven't had the chance to take her out and shoot her yet. I need to order some more balls, so I can shoot her and my Pietta 51 navy .36.
    My Ruger Blackhawk .44 Special has distracted me from BP shooting lately.
     
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    Arcticap suggested that this beastie qualified for membership in the Mouse Gun Club. I don't really have a mouse problem where I'm camped right now but the property owner has told me that the season is fully open on any marmot that is dumb enough to get within range. I still haven't put one of those 45 Colt Gallery Loads through it but I'm hoping to get 'er dirty next weekend time permitting.

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    My nw mouse gun display. The teeny one is a 2mm pin fire ( my very 1st gun some 50+ years ago), and the larger is a Manhattan "Hero" in 36 cal.
     

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    Newly acquired James Warner .28 Pocket Model.
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  11. kBob

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    pohill,

    That is neat! Thanks for posting it. Can we possibly get some history and data and more pics?

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  12. kBob

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    sltm1,

    Was the hero produced before the Civil War? They beat the more moderm Classic Arms Ace for somplicity and that is elegant in a way. I had often wondered what the Dixie brass framed "derringer" was based on and now it becomes appearent. I find myself tempted to borrow a friend's letter stamps and stamp the area next to where the barrel screws on to one of the Aces "Zero"

    I meantioned on another thread a museum that used to be in St. Augustine Florida yeasterday. One of the things displayed there was a 2mm pinfire much liked the stamped blank pistols that included lead bulleted ammunition. Appearently they were sold in the 1800's as a serious defensive gun specifically for women on the theory that when it was really needed if could be placed in the attackers ear. It was displayed if I remember correctly with a much more threatening lady's hat pin.

    Neat display and I like the corner covers.

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  13. Busyhands94

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    Very interesting stuff! I've got one of those 2mm pinfire break action pistols, they are fun to play with! :D I also have another pipsqueak pistol, you load it with a cap and a single birdshot down the muzzle. I guess it would count as a muzzleloading mousegun, that thing is tiny!

    Last week I was camping with my cousin, we shot some BP mouseguns. It was her first time shooting a cap and ball revolver, it was my Super Companion loaded with Triple Seven. She was aiming for a big piece of scrap steel about 20 feet away, she nailed it dead on about 4 times. :) Of course she thought the NAA was the cutest little revolver that she'd ever seen. Haha!
     
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    According to Flaydermans, Warner produced "a few hundred" pocket models in .28 caliber, and over 9000 in .31 caliber. Here's a case where a gun is pretty rare but not very valuable.
    The internals are interesting:
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    Here's a before cleaning pic (a good example of why some antiques should be cleaned, especially the internals). I also replaced the hand spring.
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    Pohill,

    Thanks for the response. That is neat. I did a quick search and noticed the percussion guns all seem to have those nurled bands on the cylinders. One auction house had a gun in a period presentation case and another had one with ivory gripos with a dragon on one side.

    Appearently there was later a .32 rimfire model ( and the seller claimed his was made in about 1859 and I wonder what Rollin White and S&W had to say about that)

    Wow that internal arrangement looks crowded and complex, must have been real fun cleaning it up and repairing it.

    Several adds gave dates of manufacture of 1856 0r 1857 until 1869 for the type.

    Always nice to learn something and see something new to me.

    Thanks again.

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    kBob, the Hero came out on approx 1868, one of the last guns made by The Manhattan Co. Later it was Produced byt American Steel & Tool (AST), who bought the company and was so marked instead of Hero. These were the poor mans deringer, so much so that the grip screw is just that, no threaded escucheons, just a wood screw!!
     
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    Can I play?

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    I don't have a pic of my .31 Remmy hosted at this time. Right now, I'm wanting a BP Earl. :D
     
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    Can I join?

    The J frame is just for scale, I took a picture at my FFL. I know it isn't really a traditional black powder pistol, meaning cap and ball, or flintlock, or etc, but it certainly isn't exactly a modern smokeless arm.
     

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  20. kBob

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    Mauser Lover,

    That reminds me I need to make a pitcher of Lemonade for the kids this morning.

    In case you can't tell from my post up stream I like top breaks to look at. They were the everyman (and woman) gun in the period close to 1900 by 20 years in either direction.

    Safety revolvers with the grip safety were the top of the line as it were for the top breaks in a lot of folks minds. I have only a "Wish Ida" in a like new blued one I did not buy some years ago.

    Thanks for posting this one and thanks for the effort of posting the veiw with the action open.

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  21. Busyhands94

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    Yes you guys can join, those are some sweet guns. I like that little break top, as long as it makes smoke and is small you can join!

    I've kinda been hankerin' for a 63' Remmy myself actually. I got a cylinder for one at a garage sale, now I just need a pistol to go along with it. Judging from the size of the cylinder I have this should be one neat little cap and ball pocket rocket. It looks like I could use the loading tool for my NAA to load the cylinder.

    ~Levi
     
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    It probably has made smoke before, but I haven't made any smoke with it. Probably will soon, still deciding whether or not to sell it as is, or fix it up and keep it. (Needs timing job, necessary, and plating or bluing job, not necessary)

    The only thing that makes it longer than that J frame snubby, is that I have an inch longer barrel than that J frame. Other than that, it is smaller than a J frame, so yes, it is small.

    Lemonade?
     
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    The picture of your Pedersoli reproduction Remington Rider derringer includes a tin of 4.5mm(.177 cal.) pellets. The Pedersoli reproduction is chambered for 4.3mm(.17 cal.) balls. Is your Pedersoli Remington Rider derringer capable of firing the larger caliber pellet?
     
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    I re-size the pellets, you just roll them between a block of wood and something hard.
     
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    These are just two of my mini black powder pistols.
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