The BP Revolver Conversion Picture Thread

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Cute little pinky notch!

What keeps the cylinder arbor from coming loose with recoil?
There is a set screw in the "wings" that presses into a divet in the bottom of the barrel.

I need to do a few more things to this between other projects and I am still going to blue all the metal bits (not parts anymore, just bits)..........
 
Brass frame conversion?

Well now I have the Kirst Remington 1858 .22 conversion unit that I use in my Uberti with a steel frame. Although I use it in a steel frame, it's my understanding that the .22 unit is the only one that Kirst says is OK to use in a brass frame gun. The muzzle end of that snubbie barrel sure looks to me like it might be just a little bit bigger than a .22, so what is the deal? Is it now OK to use the large .45 centerfire conversion in a brass framed gun?
Certainly a closed frame design like the 1858 Remington will take a lot more stress than one of the Colt's Open Top designs, but I thought that Kirst still advises that brass frames will stretch with any of the centerfire conversions installed. I'm sure you gave it some thought and based your choice on factors such as number of rounds expected to be fired and loading those loads down to minimize pressure. I know you are not the first to do it with a brass framed 1858, since I saw an internet gunsmith project of a Kirst unit being installed on a brass 1858 Remington.
BY THE WAY. THAT IS A VERY COOL LOOKING PIECE AND I THINK GIVING THE FRAME THE ONCE OVER WITH BRASS BLACK WILL REALLY GIVE IT AN INTERESTING LOOK! I have done some pretty neat effects with brass black; one of the best was to mix the brass black with a couple of drops of oil,(don't mix too well!) and appy by dabing it on with a rag. If done right you can get a sort of multi colored psudo case hardened look to it. Try this on scrap brass, and experiment with different application techniques.
That would have been quite an ace in the hole back in the day. Not much bigger than a Remington double derringer, but a lot more rounds of a much better cartridge. Good medicine for snakes of all kinds!
 
Simple physics.........all things being equal they are, well.... EQUAL!

Liability statements are just like contracts, they don't hold much water unless you pay a lawyer.

I have an aged Remington:
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I'm nowhere near done with the belly gun, I like to say that it's a work in progress!
Soon it will have some very unique features...........
 
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It pay's to marry well...I just was given this Uberti 58' factory conversion as an early anniversary gift from my wife!!! I guess a card and flowers are out for me to give her this year LOL!! Thank GOD I still have time to figger something out !!

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Remington pockets in .32 and .22?

I had one of the little Remington .31's I picked up 2nd hand on Gunbroker. It was a neat little piece, but it was one of the ones imported by Traditions, and I guess they get a better price from the manufacturer by going with a lower level of fit and finnish. I wouldn't have minded the fact that it came up short on the looks department, but it was real rough mechanically. Felt like it was packed with sand. Didn't always index correctly, sometimes it would just lock up and refuse to go past half cock, and even at it's best it had the worst trigger on any revolver I ever had.
I think it was made by Pietta, but I've seen Pietta .31 Remingtons that looked and felt pretty good. But again, it was marked Traditions and I've seen more than a few Traditions marked guns that left something to be desired. That being said, I have seen several of these little Remingtons that were nicely finished and functioned smoothly. And it's such a nice little package that I would sure like one made up as a cartridge revolver.
Now I'm a big fan of the Kirst units, and I have two of them for my Uberti 1858. One is in .45ACP and I also have the .22 unit, and both function perfectly in both my 5.5" revolver and also my Remington carbine.
I had spoken to Jay Strite back before I bought either one of them, and we talked about several other conversions as well. I know in our conversation we discussed a conversion for the Pocket Remington in .32, and it seems to me that although they are not listed in their regular offerings, he told me that they had made up a few cylinders for them and at least at that time, he was offering them for sale. It's been a while, but I am thinking he said the conversion was around $350. with the customer supplying the revolver. I also seem to remember that it wasn't a "drop in" conversion, but you would have to send him your piece for some fitting and smithing. Again, it was a while back, but I could swear he also mentioned that they could do a .22 rimfire conversion for the little remington by lining the barrel along with the cylinder replacement and smithing. I,m not sure, but I think he may have said it was around the $400. mark. And I got the impression that if you sent him your gun for conversion, he would give it a pretty good overhaul inside and out. I got the feeling that he wouldn't put his name on anything he wasn't proud of, and that you would probably end up with a one of a kind piece that would be worth more than you had into it as soon as you got it back from him.
I've been thinking about it a lot lately, and I think it may be time to sell some of my other stuff, give Jay another call, and have him do one of his custom jobs for me. I think it would be a good investment and a darn nice shootin' iron to boot. And as a .22, it would probably get used a lot. Heck, using those quiet Super Kolibri's BB/CB type .22's yopu could shoot it in your back yard without bothering the neighbors!
Boney Notches!
 
Is this a .32 or a .22?
The Traditions brass framed Remmy Pockets are ASM manufactured.
The problem is usually in the ratchet area of the cylinder although I have seen some with issues of bolt height which can cause very hard cocking at the end of the hammer travel in order to get the bolt leg to fall of the cam.

Mine is a 22 and that is a Kirst conversion on the same traditions ASM revolver that you had. It is more work to make work nice than, say a 1858 conversion but it does work well. There are some problems with where Kirst has cut the stop notches and you have to work around that.

The 32 S&W is not a good chioce in this platform. I was not involved in that choice but Walt and Jay did use me to try to figure out it's shortcomings and it has them. The majority of the ones sold would uncock upon firing and the bolt would rest between notches. Their fix of trying to increase bolt spring tension did not work. My fixes do but they all rotate back to the same issues of ammo (the bullet is WAY undersize in the bore). More pressure is the easiest fix either through a different chambering or in the case of the Kirst adopted fix which is to tell customers to load a full case of 3f BP. This is an odd thing to tell someone who buys a product that has the warning of "no warranty" with handloads.

The 22 does work and of course it is not a drop in.
 
I just picked up a Uberti 3rd Model Dragoon with an R&D conversion cylinder in .45 Colt. Man, this thing is a beast! It needs a bit of sight work as it was shooting a might high (10"-12") at 10 yards.

I was shooting a load of 6 grains of Unique behind a 250 grain lead bullet. With this load, recoil was virtually non-existent due to the weight of the pistol.

Here are a few pics:

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My point of aim was at the bottom edge of the target for this 5 shot group:

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Pietta 1860 Army, Skinner front sight, Lowered hammer, Howell's Conversion cylinder, and barrel defarb/reblue all by Hoof Hearted. Ugly grips to be swapped out soon.
 
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Pietta 1860 Army, Skinner front sight, Lowered hammer, Howell's Conversion cylinder, and barrel defarb/reblue all by Hoof Hearted. Ugly grips to be swapped out soon.
Mike!

Sorry for telling you those grips were ugly so many times..........
Guess I guilted you into calling them ugly too!

You should post a pic of the groups you are getting with that combo!

Regards, HH
 
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These were with the cap & ball cylinder but the group I shot with the conversion cylinder was more or less the same. All in the black... maybe not quite as many touching each other, but pretty much the same deal. Off hand at 30 ft.

The grips ARE ugly, but they were worse with the big plastic stars in a circle that were on it when I got it ! LOL!

May do Tru Ivories, or maybe some smooth stags. Not sure yet.
 
What's the barrel length on that 1860? I like it. I don't like the 1860 with the 8 inch barrel, it looks funny to me.
With a shorter barrel, I like it.
May have to get one, just don't tell my wife.
 
I have two

I did my Uberti 1st Model Dragoon and my Uberti Walker with Kirst cylinders. Both shoot well and are loads of fun....:D
 

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my one and only conversion. 5.5" bbl R&D conversion, I was beyond surprised when I first started shooting it with the conversion cylinder, it's incredibly accurate. The gun points so well that I barely need to use the sights when shooting cans at 10-15 yards :)
I have several other cap n ball guns, so I never actually shot this one with caps n balls, went ahead and removed the ram-rod as it only got in the way.

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I did this conversion last week. It's a Pietta 1858 Remington from Cabela's with a gated Kirst Konverter and Remington factory style ejector.

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I'd hope to shoot it for the first time today, but had to work on my washing machine instead. :(
 
Hey Dave Markowitz,
How does one go about installing the factory ejector?
I would venture to guess that a gunsmith needs to dovetail the frame?

I am debating the merits of a factory conversion vs R&D cylinder vs Kurst converter.....vs Kurst converter with ejector?

If one has a Kurst without the ejector...how the heck do you eject empty brass?

So many questions......:eek:
 
For the Kirst gated conversion, you need to grind a loading port in the right side recoil shield. Percussion revolvers are made from pretty soft steel, so you can do it with a file and/or a Dremel tool.

The Remington factory-style ejector from Kirst replaces the original cylinder base pin, and requires you to cut a notch in the loading lever. Here are some close-ups.

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Here is a pretty good article on the procedure.

If you do a gated conversion but do not install an ejector, it's not hard to remove the empties. These guns are restricted to low pressure loads. When I shot it last weekend I was able to get many of the empties to fall out by elevating the muzzle and tapping the butt against the carpeted table holding all my shooting gear. I could also pull the empties out easily with a fingernail.
 
These guns are restricted to low pressure loads. When I shot it last weekend I was able to get many of the empties to fall out by elevating the muzzle and tapping the butt against the carpeted table holding all my shooting gear. I could also pull the empties out easily with a fingernail.

Were you shooting Black Powder loads? I'm curious how the Remmie Kirst/Pietta combo does with BP. I read somewhere that the cylinder/barrel gap was very tight and bound up after just one shot in one persons account.

I'm leaning toward the Kirst, but would like to shoot Goex loaded cartridges.
 
I was shooting Black Hills CAS .45 Colt loads, with smokeless powder. B/C is tight, although I have not measured it. I will say that this gun locks up tighter than any other revolver I have, including a few Rugers and a bunch of S&Ws. There is no cylinder play when it's locked.
 
Sorry to ressurect this thread, but I have to get some more info on HH's pistols in the fifth and sixth picture on post no. 30.

How did boring out the BP cylinder on No. 5 go?

What kind of cylinder is on No. 6?
 
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