The Bush Administration's Support for Gun Control

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It doesn't matter if you vote republican or Democrat. They have different ways but they have the same goal. That's why it's very important to look at the voting records of each politician, instead of just listening to them, action speaks louder than words.

I hope that the SC would wake up and do their job correctly.
 
Bogie nailed it.

Those of you complaining about Bush haven't said how life would be better with Gore, Kerry, or H.R. Clinton running the circus.

This is The HIGH Road. Save the name calling and disrespect for the Yahoo! political forums. He is still The President of The United States. I didn't tolerate disrespectful speech for Clinton, I sure won't accept it for Bush.

Lock it anytime.
 
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This is The HIGH Road. Save the name calling and disrespect for the Yahoo! political forums. He is still The President of The United States. I didn't tolerate disrespectful speech for Clinton, I sure won't accept it for Bush.

Agreed. Completely.
 
This is The HIGH Road. Save the name calling and disrespect for the Yahoo! political forums. He is still The President of The United States. I didn't tolerate disrespectful speech for Clinton, I sure won't accept it for Bush.

I haven't seen any name-calling. All I have seen in this thread are a lot of people frustrated with his policies.
 
What is it with folks whom upon hearing complaints about Bush promptly launch into "But what about Gore/Kerry/Clinton?"

Seriously, ***?
None of them won the election. Bush did. And he's happily screwing us over.

So, are we supposed to just shut up and take it?
 
What is it with folks whom upon hearing complaints about Bush promptly launch into "But what about Gore/Kerry/Clinton?"

Because those were the only other options. That's just the way it is.

Complianing is worthless. Only complaining partnered with better ideas is worth anything. If you don't like something, don't just sit on your ### and rip on it. Propose something better. So instead of telling us how much the President sucks, why not tell us how it would be better with the alternative.


The reality is, we got the better of the 2 choices.
 
The reality is, we got the better of the 2 choices.

There it is. And, the next election may well be worse in terms of the choices available.

Jim H.
 
HOW do we know he's screwing us over?

Because we keep hearing it on CNN, etc... The major media haven't had a good thing to say about him since he took office.

Personally, I think his main fault is that he tried to work Washington like he worked the Texas legislature, and do a lot of bi-partisan win/win kinda stuff - Washington sees that as a sign of weakness, and it's all over...

The Democrats aren't really pushing anything more substantial than "change."

Well, if you don't vote against Hillary, you're gonna get some "change." And you probably aren't going to like it.

Unless, of course, you're one of the folks who continually troll over here from Democratic Underground, relentlessly pushing the "vote for anyone but a republican" schtick.
 
Voting someone who supports the Bill of rights > voting someone because he doesn't have a D behind his name.

There's no guarantee a Democrat president (ok maybe Hillary) will pass a gun control bill, just like there's no guarantee a Republican president will not pass a gun control bill, or advise the supreme court to keep the DC ban.

In the end, I would have picked Al Gore, sure maybe there wouldn't be tax cuts, but there wouldn't have been a war from lies, or guantanamo, or rendition, or torture, or US citizens being held without right of Habeus Corpus. After 8 years, if it isn't clear the lesser of two evils was Al Gore, you have blinders on. Ooh he blathers about global warming, that's so scary.... right. At least that doesn't affect the BOR.

I guess Bush was the better choice if you weren't arrested for false dirty bomb allegations. As long as you paid your taxes and never did foolish things like post online about your gun collection, sure you were safe.

The two supreme court judges he nominated don't even have any positive gun right views.
 
This 50 year Republican is not drinking the Kool Aid any more. The lesser of two evils is still evil. 2004 was the last hold my nose, vote and barf act for me.
 
Those of you complaining about Bush haven't said how life would be better with Gore, Kerry, or H.R. Clinton running the circus.

I have posted many times saying how we would be better off with Gore in 2000{ and I voted libertarian in 2000 and 2004} How? Let me tell you. With Gore in in 2000 the Republicans would still have the House and Senate. After 2 years Gore would have effed things up so bad that the Republicans would have GAINED ground in both 2002 and 2004. The AWB was toast regardless{remember GWB campaigned on renewing it}

If Gore had introduced the Patriot Act, it would have at least been read, and the GOP would have in all likleyhood, scuttled it.
 
I'm a conservative and voted for Bush twice...
This would not be the first time Bush has betrayed us all...
+1,000,000,000,000... a number suprisingly similar to the national debt.

GWB has actually made me ashamed of the "Republican" notation on my voters card... I may actually re-register as independant after the primary, so I won't be so ashamed to present my card at the polling place.

So, now he's attacking the 2A... why am I not suprised.

It was during his 2nd term that I began looking for another political party, and discovered the Libertarians. If Guiliani wins the primary, I might throw my vote away in their direction in protest. They may never win, but perhaps the Republicans will take notice if they post significant numbers in the polls, and clean up their own act.
 
We are never going to get a candidate that is perfect for everyone.

If I got a candidate that I agreed with on everything, it would be myself!
 
Can anyone tell me which president took away the manufacture of machineguns for the public???


jj
 
As has been stated before, our lack of choices are the biggest problem.

You see, the majority of people are just fine with a lot of government intrusion in their lives. Most folks would gladly trade *a little* liberty for some .gov provided safety.

The American nomenklatura know this, and this is why we have the candidates we have for BOTH parties. Watch the media very carefully. The Republicans they endorse are generally big government people.

The fight for liberty and RKBA really hinges on how effective we can be in grass roots conversion of the rank and file. It's awfully difficult to overcome the spoonfed media saturation and the political soundbites from 'those who know what's best for us', but if liberty is to have any chance, it has to start on the bottom rung of the ladder.

Oh sure, by all means write congresscritters and the President. That must be done, but we need to win others over so that MORE letters flood the inboxes of those who pen our laws and policies.

Even if we can't get a majority of the country to be as gung-ho about RKBA, we do need to increase numbers AND be loud about it. Anybody notice how in the soundbite world we live in that the position held by the ones talking it up the most and loudest seems to be the one held up as majority opinion regardless of the actual numbers?

Rant off.
 
As far as giving respect, every politicion has my respect till they do something to lose it. Anti gun bills is the quickest way but there are alot of other things they do that is plain criminal. To stop the discussion of these matters is just as criminal to my mind.

jj
 
Hard to believe; but the proof is in the pudding. Enough people were fooled by this fake, who is still viewed by some as "conservative" and "patriotic", enough of the time, to allow him to stay in office for two terms and do more damage than the likes of Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter could have done in three or four terms in succession.

If our next pres does not pole ax the North American Union stone dead and serve the U.N. their eviction notice the Constitution along with the 2nd will be viewed as that of the Confederate States.

If you do not want another fake in the WH - ask them what they will do about the NAU, and the U.N.

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In the end, I would have picked Al Gore, sure maybe there wouldn't be tax cuts, but there wouldn't have been a war from lies, or guantanamo, or rendition, or torture, or US citizens being held without right of Habeus Corpus.
I'm consistently amazed at how every bad thing in the world can be traced back to George Bush. It's like the man is Keyser Söze. I didn't like him, didn't vote for him the first time, but have become one of his biggest supporters simply out of sheer contarian revulsion at the nonsense that constant spews forth about how American became Nazi Germany two seconds after Bush was sworn in, right before he gunned down the Supreme Court and replaced them with his Skulls and Bones buddies, rolled the Constitution into a cigar, and slept with every married woman in America.

The "lies" that the Bush Administration told were the exact same "lies" that Algore and Slick Willy had been pushing for a couple of years prior, trying to sell their own war. They were the same "lies" that most Western intelligence agencies believed. And they were lies made more credible by the post Cold War gutting of intelligence services, and the resulting lack of people (and data) in/from the field. Rendition and torture preceed Bush by decades and were fairly heavily used by the Clinton adminstration. Members of Congress, including Nancy Pelosi, were briefed on the current administration's use of coercive interogation techniques, and raised no objections until it was politically expedient. Habeus corpus has been suspended several times during war, and one of the primary legal basis of the current administration's legal stance is the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, signed by Bill Clinton. And Bush didn't stand by and twiddle his thumbs while three quarters of a million Rwandans were hacked to death, although, trying to be multilateral with the UN in Dafur, Bush still might get there. Yet somehow, Bush is unique in the annals of inept Presidents.
Personally, I think his main fault is that he tried to work Washington like he worked the Texas legislature, and do a lot of bi-partisan win/win kinda stuff - Washington sees that as a sign of weakness, and it's all over...
You're darn right. Compromise is for suckers in the modern political arena. And by trying to split the middle Bush pissed off the loud squeaky ends, and they never let him (or anyone else) forget that he wasn't good enough. It doesn't matter that he made the best out of a crappy situation (handed a country with a recently burst bubble economy, enemies that don't respect you might or your will, a gutted military, and a nation so deeply divided that to this day half of them don't believe you were legitmately elected. Oh yeah, and one of the worse terrorist attacks on your home soil in 50 years. Piece of cake right? He wasn't perfect, or idealogically pure, or a true believer, so he's worthless. Yeah, it's so very amazing that we don't have better choices, because who wouldn't want to be publically maligned, slandered, have every decision and word endlessly analyzed and judged by every yahoo with an internet connection, give up their privacy, and put their person and family in mortal danger for a job with those kind of perks?
 
I eagerly await your entry into the race terry.

Being that Terry has not obligated himself to that position and that this is a free country, should he not be able to have an opinion? What is wrong with calling a spade, a spade?

By your logic, if you were an automotive repairman and you didn't do a "well enough" job on someone's car, would you tell them "I'd like to see you get here and do it."

We do pay the president, and as "customers" of the United States of America I feel we have all right to judge any public figure.
 
Well, being that Bush is obviously dumber than a guy who managed to flunk out of law school, to flunk out of divinity school, and who _still_ ended up over in Viet Nam despite his and his daddy's best efforts... Oh, I just can't handle it...

Bush lost the public relations war. And that's about the gist of it.

Now, what are your plans going to be when we're looking at 4-8 years of Clintons?

Now, when the media looked at Bush, the economy was _all_ his fault - not the fault of the administration who'd been in power for eight years prior... Are they going to do the same thing to Hillary? Nope - she's going to be blaming Bush four years from now... And the media will be puking it back up.

What -are- your plans?

After all, you -have- thought this through, right?

What are your plans, after you _facilitate_ her election? Are you going to buy more guns? More ammo? Hunker down in the bunker? After all, Hillary knows what's good for you. And they're not going to make the same mistakes they did with the first AWB...
 
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