OMG! You're being so stubborn. First of all, I didn't say that red and dark are the same. you said: I said that it doesn't matter because on both dark and red, the .357 is bigger. Ok, fine it matters a little, but YOU said that you don't think the darker coloration means a permanent wound cavity. What does it mean then? did someone pump coal into the wound? I think we can all agree that a .357 sig being the same weight and slower speed than a .357 magnum is LESS effective. Therefore, if a .357 sig shows a larger TWC AND PWC than a .45, we can assume that the .357 mag will ALSO have a larger TWC and PWC than a .45 Ok, I will agree that PWC is more important marginally than TWC. This is an opinion that many of the experts disagree on, but whatever. Even that being true: TWC and PWC Are DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL MOST OF THE TIME. This is what the DATA SAYS: When a TWC is bigger on one round than the other, the PWC is also bigger on that round than the other. This is what the data shows. I'm not making it up. Go look at it. I'm not trying to be rude, but you're ignoring 90% of the stuff I'm saying. Read it all, not just snippets here and there. You're coming to conclusions about what I'm saying that I'm not saying. I'm using a lot of conditional modifiers because nothing that I'm saying is 100% true 100% of the time.