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The Case for War, by Bill Clinton

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  1. OF

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    This is an excerpt from this article from The Weekly Standard. You may want to read the entire article before responding.

    - Gabe

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    President Clinton declared that the great threat confronting the United States and its allies was a lethal and "unholy axis" of international terrorists and outlaw states. "They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them." There was, Clinton declared, "no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein's Iraq. His regime threatens the safety of his people, the stability of his region and the security of all the rest of us." Before the Gulf War of 1991, Clinton noted, "Saddam had built up a terrible arsenal, and he had used it. Not once, but many times in a decade-long war with Iran, he used chemical weapons against combatants, against civilians, against a foreign adversary and even against his own people." At the end of the Gulf War, Saddam had promised to reveal all his programs and disarm within 15 days. But instead, he had spent "the better part of the past decade trying to cheat on this solemn commitment." As Clinton explained:


    Iraq repeatedly made false declarations about the weapons that it had left in its possession after the Gulf War. When UNSCOM would then uncover evidence that gave the lie to those declarations, Iraq would simply amend the reports. For example, Iraq revised its nuclear declarations four times within just 14 months, and it has submitted six different biological warfare declarations, each of which has been rejected by UNSCOM.
    In 1995 Hussein Kamal, Saddam's son-in-law and the chief organizer of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program, defected to Jordan. He revealed that Iraq was continuing to conceal weapons and missiles and the capacity to build many more. Then and only then did Iraq admit to developing numbers of weapons in significant quantities--and weapons stocks. Previously it had vehemently denied the very thing it just simply admitted once Saddam's son-in-law defected to Jordan and told the truth.

    Now listen to this: What did it admit? It admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability, notably, 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production. . . .

    Next, throughout this entire process, Iraqi agents have undermined and undercut UNSCOM. They've harassed the inspectors, lied to them, disabled monitoring cameras, literally spirited evidence out of the back doors of suspect facilities as inspectors walked through the front door, and our people were there observing it and had the pictures to prove it. . . .

    Over the past few months, as [the weapons inspectors] have come closer and closer to rooting out Iraq's remaining nuclear capacity, Saddam has undertaken yet another gambit to thwart their ambitions by imposing debilitating conditions on the inspectors and declaring key sites which have still not been inspected off limits, including, I might add, one palace in Baghdad more than 2,600 acres large. . . .

    One of these presidential sites is about the size of Washington, D.C. . . .

    It is obvious that there is an attempt here, based on the whole history of this operation since 1991, to protect whatever remains of his capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, the missiles to deliver them, and the feed stocks necessary to produce them. The UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons. . . .

    Now, let's imagine the future. What if he fails to comply and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made? Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction.

    And some day, some way, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal. . . . In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now--a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers, or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

    If we fail to respond today, Saddam, and all those who would follow in his footsteps, will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council, and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program.


    The Clinton administration did not in fact respond. War was averted by a lame compromise worked out by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan. But within a few months, Saddam was again obstructing U.N. inspectors, driving a deeper wedge into the U.N. Security Council and attempting to put a final end to the inspections process. He succeeded. At the end of 1998, the Clinton administration launched Operation Desert Fox, a four-day missile and bombing attack on Iraq that was aimed principally at known and suspected facilities for producing weapons of mass destruction and missiles. The effect of the bombings on Iraq's programs and stockpiles, however, was unknown, as Clinton acknowledges. But one effect of Operation Desert Fox was that Saddam expelled the U.N. inspectors altogether. Beginning in December 1998 and for the next four years, there were no U.N. inspectors in Iraq.
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  2. Jonesy9

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    Clinto stunk, that he was trying to use Iraq to deflect from his troubles at the time is no excuse for the Bush admin. to fall back on.

    I also seem to remember that the inspectors were kicked out because we and the Brits stacked them with spies. The inspectors were then brought back in and Bush had them pulled out by the UN during the run up to war.

    No time to read the whole thing but take anything from The WEAKLY Standard with a grain of salt.
     
  3. Gordon Fink

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    But now we know. The 1998 air campaign must have destroyed any Iraqi WMD stockpiles or production facilities that survived the 1991 hostilities.

    ~G. Fink
     
  4. OF

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    How can you make that conclusion?

    - Gabe
     
  5. OF

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    I take everything I read with a whole shaker of salt. And a lime.

    - Gabe
     
  6. grnzbra

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    Seems to me that WMDs were just the excuse. Iraq is the center of the chess board.
     
  7. Gordon Fink

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    1. USAF bomb-damage assessment and UNSCOM inspections after the 1991 campaign indicated that a number of known and suspected WMD stockpiles and production facilities had been destroyed.

    2. Other suspected WMD sites were hit during the 1998 campaign.

    3. Nearly a year after the 2003 campaign, little more than a few moldering mustard-gas shells have been recovered.

    ~G. Fink
     
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  8. OF

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    My understanding is that of the 120 or so munitions stockpiles, we've only inspected 10 so far. For what that's worth...

    - Gabe
     
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    The opponent being those nice, friendly, capitalist men in Moscow?
     
  10. HunterGatherer

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    More like the death-cult psychotics concentrated within a +/- 500 mile radius of Baghdad.

    What part of "Death to the Infidels!" don't people get???????????? :uhoh:
     
  11. MicroBalrog

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    Bill Clinton: A mass-murderer.
    Saddam Hussein: A mass-murderer

    Difference in scale only.
     
  12. Malone LaVeigh

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    The opponent being anyone who gets in between the US and "our" oil.

    BTW, we already knew Clinton was a war criminal.
     
  13. OF

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    Man, that is getting old.

    - Gabe
     
  14. Sean Smith

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    That must be why we didn't just lift the sanctions on Iraq and BUY the oil for cheap insetad of spending a gajillion dollars on Iraq. :rolleyes:
     
  15. HunterGatherer

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    Obviously you are a slave to logic sir. ;)
     
  16. thefitzvh

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    I'm sorry guys... but you're going to have to stop...



    Logic has no place in a "civilized" society.



    :rolleyes:

    James
     
  17. Malone LaVeigh

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    I suggest you look up Cheny's energy task force aka “National Energy Policyâ€. Or you could just keep your heads in the sand.
     
  18. Sergeant Bob

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    Let me see now.....
    If I were going to head an energy task force to establish a National Energy Policy, who would I want to talk to?

    Big wheels in the textile industry?........nope.

    How bout the furniture industry?..........ummm.......nope.

    Maybe lawyers....Hey! El Tejon! You busy?.... Ahhh......nope.

    I know! I know! Convenience store clerks! They know all about drilling for, procuring, importing, refining and distribution of gas and oil!
     
  19. OF

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    Stop it! Stop it! You guys are killin' me!

    :D

    - Gabe
     
  20. Malone LaVeigh

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    My point wasn't addressed towarde the rightfully controversial issue over who he talked to, that's another whole subject. I was making the point that the NEP crafted by Cheny et al spells out the need to secure oil from the Mideast, with references to stabilizing the sources there.

    But since you brought it up,
    The problem is that Cheny and his ilk are just as ignorant in finding solutions to our energy problems.
     
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