The Cat's Out of the Bag

[Deanimator]

Can we now, once and for all agree that the AHSA types who've repeatedly come here claiming that "Obama doesn't want to take your guns" were LYING?

His (and his sycophants') repeated calls for "Australian" gun control in the United States are naked calls for BANS AND CONFISCATION.

On that basis, anything else they say on the subject, including "universal background checks" (REGISTRATION) should be dismissed out of hand.

We can't make them stop LYING, but they can't make us BELIEVE.

 

[Tommygunn]

IMO the left wants to extinguish gun possession via "death by a thousand cuts." Some all-out gun ban/confiscation is unlikely. Oh, they want to ban "assault rifles," but even the 1994 "ban" was only cosmetic and didn't confiscate the guns.
Local jurisdictions and states have been worse in that regard than the fedgov.
Taxes, increased regulations, maybe banning lead ammo, all are possibilities.
Eventually they hope guns will be so expensive or useless due to hyper regulation that we the people simply won't bother obtaining them.
A confiscation might happen .... but only as a last resort and when the majority of people have been acclimated to approve of the action.

 

[Midwest]

Can we now, once and for all agree that the AHSA types who've repeatedly come here claiming that "Obama doesn't want to take your guns" were LYING?

His (and his sycophants') repeated calls for "Australian" gun control in the United States are naked calls for BANS AND CONFISCATION.

On that basis, anything else they say on the subject, including "universal background checks" (REGISTRATION) should be dismissed out of hand.

We can't make them stop LYING, but they can't make us BELIEVE.

This isn't Australia, we have checks and balances to keep Australian type of bans and confiscation from happening. Some have said that the only time we need the Second Amendment when someone is trying to take it away.
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[Deanimator]

They'd LIKE for it to happen overnight.

Of course it can't even be tried without a reaction that would probably result in the population of enforcers and the population of live tyrannosaurs being numerically equivalent.

But never doubt that's the ultimate goal, and it's what they're SAYING OUT LOUD.

Don't let anybody forget it.

 

[elano]

We know their end game. Give an inch and they will take a mile. Their "common sense" laws will never be satisfactory to them. We must protect the 2a.

 

[SuperNaut]

Ever since the NYT posted that front-page OP-ED, and Hillary publicly agreed with "Australian-style" confiscation, and the comments sections of a zillion Fauxgressive websites have been filled with calls to repeal the 2A, I've been hammering Anti's with the uncomfortable truth.

It's taking them a while to understand that they can't use that lie anymore, but it is shifting. Keep hitting 'em!

 

[buck460XVR]

His (and his sycophants') repeated calls for "Australian" gun control in the United States are naked calls for BANS AND CONFISCATION.

Ain't gonna happen. The Chicken Little's have been screaming the "Sky is falling!" for eight years now along with the little shepherd boys screaming "Wolf!" Neither is correct and has done little but raise the price and lower the availability of firearms, ammo and reloading components. If there is something firearm related we can't buy right now, it's not the fault of Obama and Hilary, but the fault of those Chicken Littles and Shepherd boys, and the panic buying they created. As has been said, this is not Australia, nor is it Nazi Germany. The same forefathers that gave us the 2nd Amendment also gave us other safeguards to protect it.

 

[Deanimator]

As has been said, this is not Australia, nor is it Nazi Germany.

The point is not that it is, but that they have OPENLY said they WANT it to be.

LIARS have been coming here for the last seven years denying it.

Now we have IRONCLAD PROOF that they're liars.

If they lie about that, none of their OTHER claims, about "universal background checks" or ANYTHING else should be believed.

 

[SuperNaut]

Ain't gonna happen. The Chicken Little's have been screaming the "Sky is falling!" for eight years now along with the little shepherd boys screaming "Wolf!" Neither is correct and has done little but raise the price and lower the availability of firearms, ammo and reloading components. If there is something firearm related we can't buy right now, it's not the fault of Obama and Hilary, but the fault of those Chicken Littles and Shepherd boys, and the panic buying they created. As has been said, this is not Australia, nor is it Nazi Germany. The same forefathers that gave us the 2nd Amendment also gave us other safeguards to protect it.

Right.

But we aren't talking about what can or cannot be accomplished. We are talking about the ongoing war of words and ideas that are part of how this battle is being fought. On the lesser end of the scale Anti's have lost a major rhetorical device, on the greater end of the scale, they have exposed their actual goal.

Consider yourself brought up to speed.

 

[buck460XVR]

Right.

But we aren't talking about what can or cannot be accomplished.

Consider yourself brought up to speed..

You can talk about all the fantasies you want, Me, I'll stick to the speed I'm at, call realism.

 

[SuperNaut]

You can talk about all the fantasies you want, Me, I'll stick to the speed I'm at, call realism.

It appears that you think that you and I are having some sort of disagreement.

 

[Deanimator]

You can talk about all the fantasies you want, Me, I'll stick to the speed I'm at, call realism.

Here's REALISM:

1. For seven years the AHSA fifth columnists have been telling us that Obama DOESN'T want to take our guns.
2. Obama HIMSELF has recently said he wants "Australian" gun controls.
3. "Australian" gun controls are BANS AND CONFISCATION.
4. The con men who said Obama doesn't want our guns are LIARS.

THAT is REALISM.

Anything else is simply deceit.

 

[Deanimator]

It appears that you think that you and I are having some sort of disagreement.

You're actually talking past each other.

You're talking about what is.

He's trying to dismiss what is and talk about something else.

That which is always trumps that which is WISHED not to be.

 

[AlexanderA]

A good part of my collection consists of "black rifles." When the gun controllers talk about "assault weapon bans," it only means one thing -- they are coming to take my guns. I for one have reached the point where nothing they propose is "reasonable."

 

[yokel]

The attempts to ignore or to try to explain away Obama's endorsement of Australian-style gun confiscation are amusing and bemusing.

A good part of my collection consists of "black rifles." When the gun controllers talk about "assault weapon bans," it only means one thing -- they are coming to take my guns. I for one have reached the point where nothing they propose is "reasonable."

Suppose, unrealistically, that all combat firearms were effectively removed from both civilian and criminal hands. Hunting and sanitized target firearms would then become the tools of criminal violence: How long would their "sporting purpose" stay their banishment? The inexorable logic of selective gun bans such as "assault weapons" is that they must evolve into total bans: in the end, "sporting purpose" would be revealed to be the gratuitous and question-begging ploy it has been from the beginning.

 

[4v50 Gary]

"An armed populace is incompatible with a police state" - Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former Asst. Sect. of the Treasury under Reagan.

 

[Sam1911]

LIARS have been coming here for the last seven years denying it.

Ok. Nobody believed that tripe before and now we have yet another point to hold up if anyone ever bothers to come here and try to say it again.

Personally I don't recall anyone here claiming Obama WOULDN'T like to ban guns in a long time, but I don't read every single thread so maybe.

Either way, great. Now we have this direct quote that lays it out.

Case closed.

 

[helitack32f1]

People seem to be missing the crucial point that our system of checks and balances only works if it intends to. If it possesses both lawlessness on one side and spineless lawlessness on the other, combined with a citizenry devoid of constitutional knowledge, boosted by a heavy dose of apathy, it appears to be a perfect storm in which the constitutional checks and balances are essentially irrelevant.

Evidence of all this is seen in the continued ~46% approval rating of our dear leader despite Fast and Furious, Benghazi, ISIS, etc, etc, etc. It is seen in the popularity of an actual socialist running for president. It is seen in the very fact that someone 77% of Americans describe as a liar, destroyed the Middle East, destroyed rape victims, allowed Americans to die in Benghazi and then lied to the families and the nation and is buried deep in criminal investigations is the far and away front runner for one of the two parties.

Not to be left out is the massive popularity on the other side of a guy that makes bold statements about exactly what HE WILL do when he becomes president, statements that his followers eat up like honey covered salted chocolate caramel, yet it never crosses anyone's mind that most of what he says is subject to constitutional restraints and cannot be done, let alone be done by decree, legally.

In this day and age, the Constitution is no longer relevant and is considered archaic by the youth of today, because essentially none of them were educated to the importance of the Constitution in regards to the survival of this nation. A constitution is only relevant when the elected officials fear a citizenry that knows, understands respects and regards the constitution and will hold them accountable.

When the Presidency is operated without regard to constitutional constraint, when the so called opposition party will not stand up and actually oppose, when the people have little to no understanding or caring about our Constitution and you have a President that says we should look to the confiscations of Australia and elsewhere as the model for what we should do, we have every reason to worry that they are indeed coming for our guns.

 

[gbran]

The anti gun folks are mostly realists and UBC's are a huge incremental step toward registration, which will be needed before they go after certain types of firearms......... and trust me, that will be the result if they have their way.

 

[j1]

J1

I trust the O man like I trust my dog. If I drop meat on the floor I trust that my dog will eat it.

 

[Midwest]

The anti gun folks are mostly realists and UBC's are a huge incremental step toward registration, which will be needed before they go after certain types of firearms......... and trust me, that will be the result if they have their way.

Yep and that is our biggest threat, and it is being done at the state level. There won't be some Australian ban and confiscation, they don't need to do that. They can't anyway, it's all talk.

But at the state level big anti-gun money influencing the uneducated masses into voting for UBC under some bogus premise. Already Colorado, Washington State, Oregon have been contaminated with the UBC disease and the next target is Montana.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...Missoula-to-enact-universal-background-checks

After UBC is implemented then registration is next, but at the state level. All these politicians and officials calling for Australian gun bans is distraction from what is happening at the state level.
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[JellyJar]

What does AHSA stand for?

 

[Deanimator]

It was (is?) the "American Hunters and Shooters Association", a faux "gun owners'" organization created by anti-gunners; the classic "fifth column" operation.

Think of it as "Negroes for Jim Crow" or "Jews for the Nuremberg Laws".

They never met an attack on 2nd Amendment rights they couldn't get behind and frequently trolled online forums seeking out the uninformed and the gullible.

They're supposedly moribund, but I still see their narratives online from time to time.

They were preceded by a similar fifth column organization, the "National Firearms Association" (N.F.A.), not to be confused with the Canadian group.

 

[Iggy]

Maybe you haven't noticed but the "checks and balances" have been stacked.

The Supreme Court is just another lever for O to pull.
The Congress hasn't done a anything to stop any of the EOs the dear leader has invoked.

We're on a runaway train to confiscation.

 

[Tirod]

'We're on a quick train to confiscation?" Really?

I understand that we can finally justify all the red flags that were waved over the last 40 years about "They aren't really going to take our guns away." Ok, they really are. We get it. It's been obvious since the AWB.

But the flip side is - It's Not Going To Happen.

It will only work if YOU line up to hand over your guns. I haven't seen millions of citizens lining up to buy guns over the last ten years who plan to do that.

"They were lost in a tragic boating accident."
" I let my brother in law borrow a few for hunting in Montana."
"I sold them to pay debts."

Or, the more realistic, "When they pry them from my cold dead hands."

What part of massive armed resistance and open warfare has missed being discussed, for that matter? That's the truly ludicrous part I see being repeated over and over, that "Obama" has some God-like power to be able to force you, me, and every law enforcement officer or military service member to cooperate in some massive gun turn in. With door to door confiscation.

I appreciate that it's a fear - but groundless fearmongering is all it is. The .Gov is NOT some omnipotent power that can force everyone to do it's bidding. Did we not just see the President make a showcase about crying over a few Executive Orders? Doing what? When do we line up with our guns to turn them in? Where?

It's Not Going To Happen. The unrealistic part of this thread is thinking that they COULD actually force some kind of Australian confiscation scheme.

Why? Do the math.

To perform a door to door search of my metro it will take the entire police force, 90 strong, searching each of the 25,000 homes and apartments for a minimum 8 hours each, which would take two years.

It's Not Going To Happen.

Buy them back? 330 million guns? How much will you take for yours? After all, it will be the last one you ever see.

You spent how much for the guns you own to what, take half? Really? Why?

It's Not Going To Happen.

Most of us aren't that stupid. And I'm getting tired of those who keep coming back over and over with more groundless fears that there will be some kind of confiscation or forced turn in. Because we aren't going to participate whatsoever. We are independent free citizens of these United States, not fearful subjects of an omnipotent government.

And that is why they are being so obvious about it now, because they finally realize It's Not Going To Happen.