The correct name for 30.06 ?

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.30-30 is the anomaly then. First center-fire smokeless rifle cartridge (1894)
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You forgot the .30 US Army, also known as the 30-40 Krag. It was smokeless as well.

By the way:
Winchester started working on the smokeless 30-30 in 1891, this was a spin -off of their work with the Army on the 30 US Army (30-40 Krag) round.
The resultant .30 WINCHESTER SMOKELESS cartridge which carried the .30 W.C.F. (Winchester Center Fire) designation on the head stamp, first appeared in Winchester's catalog No. 55, dated August, 1895.
Union Metallic Cartridge Company (U.M.C.) was contracted to make a copy of this cartridge for Marlin. So the name 30-30 was born. Sotra how the 38WFC became the 38-40..

Also the 30-30 was not the first Smokeless powder rifle cartridge.
The 8mm Lebel was introduced in 1886
7.65 x53mm Belgian Mauser (Argentine) adopted 1889
6.5 x 55mm Swede / Norweigen Mauser, 1891
30 US Army (30-40 Krag) 1892
7x57mm Mauser 1892
303 Savage 1894
6mm Lee Navy 1894, ( a rimmed version was tried in 1891.)
303 British converted to Smokeless in the 1890s
6.5x50mm Semi-Rimmed (6.5x50SR) Japan 1897
 
( lmao ) .. some say tomate-o , some say to-motto .. good lord 20 + postings about
'Semantics ? ? .. Then you might as well include : where in the dictionary do you find 'YALL .. i'll bet this poor guy will never post on here again !
 
Y'ALL
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y'all
Southern 2nd person plural pronoun. Most concise and easily distinguished. Despite the assurance of some emails that have been passing around, "y'all" is plural. Not to be used as a singular pronoun.
 
Saw a John Wayne movie where he referred to 1903 as Ninteen Ought-Three or Ought-Three,

I propose that we shootist now start referring to the current year as Ought-Ten, next year as Ought-Eleven and so on....
 
two thousand aught nine would work but two thousand aught ten won't.
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Back in the late '90s, we language types were wrestling with what to call the coming decade. So, naturally we looked back to the 1900s to see what they did about the problem. They went with "naughts" (later corrupted to "aughts" as Bartholomew notes above, do to euphony). But we couldn't because the term is archaic and only survives today in such terms as "thirty-ought-six" and "double-naught buck." The word "ought" is separate and stems from the verb "to owe."
 
The "Aughties" or "Aughts" were the common term to describe the first decade of the 20th century. Technically, 2000-2009 were also "Aughties" but that term had fallen out of common parlance.

Anyway, anything designated by a year in that decade were commonly 19 aught _.
 
a scale is for measuring, a rule is a guideline or law, and a ruler is for making a straight line.
 
and I have two barrels stamped 30 Govt 06, one is a Model 30 Remington the other a model 70 Winchester

F. Guffey
 
jimmyraythomason said:
y'all
Southern 2nd person plural pronoun. Most concise and easily distinguished. Despite the assurance of some emails that have been passing around, "y'all" is plural. Not to be used as a singular pronoun.
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.. thanks for the proper usage thereof .. I had better pass on your detailed
explanation to my 'best bud, who is a GA. 'self proclaimed 'cracker' .. he has been using it the way i did, as that's how his last (5) years of daily emails have arrived here .. I'm guessing Merriam Webster wasn't southern ? ( just yankin your chain bud ) lol
 
a scale is for measuring, a rule is a guideline or law, and a ruler is for making a straight line.
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That one doesn't seem to hold up either:

Folding rule
United States Patent 5735058
"An extendable measuring rule comprises a main frame and an extension element. "

Isn't it funny how that stuff varies over the years and region to region? Totally useless but very interesting information LOL
 
I'm guessing Merriam Webster wasn't southern ?
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Yeah and you can't fake it. It's real or it's wrong! (FWIW,the Merriams were from Massachusetts) I just checked and "Y'ALL IS in the Merriam-Webster online dictionary.
 
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Yeah and you can't fake it. It's real or it's wrong! (FWIW,the Merriams were from Massachusetts) I just checked and "Y'ALL IS in the Merriam-Webster online dictionary.
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why mr. jimmyray you are a true fighter ! .. I do appreciate your follow-up and it seems a person is never too old to learn ! .. THANKYOU !!!!!
 
Y'all are missing out on other facets of American regionalism. When I hear someone asking for parts, I have to clarify if they are for a 2000 Ford Taurus, or a "two thousand four" Taurus.

Mechanics seem to be moving to "Oh" as a precedent, as in "Oh Four" Taurus. Solves the year problem concisely and makes sense.

The older nomenclature fits for the time period invented. These days we get to play with metrics, like five five six, six, six five, six eight, seven, seven six two. Then stuff like three oh eight, three eighty, and three three eight comes along.

Is that Glock a forty, or is one on the pintle mount of the HMMV? Did you pick up an carbine with M2 cuts in the '70's, or did your M2 cut your fingers checking the headspace? OUch!

Pretty simple compared to a '88 383 stroker with .30 over and a .10/.10 crank and rods.
 
Ought is an old english expression for "zero".
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If I'm not mistaken "naught" is the old expression for zero, not "ought" or "aught" - BUT, over time, the 'n' dropped off as it's much easier to quickly roll it off the tongue without pronouncing the consonant at the beginning - hence " 'aught" or "ought" or "ot", or in shorthand, simply a ' , with the ' representing the zero or "naught" in "1906", and also dropping off the 19 of course.
 
If I'm not mistaken "naught" is the old expression for zero, not "ought" or "aught" - BUT, over time, the 'n' dropped off as it's much easier to quickly roll it off the tongue
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Not exactly, but sort of correct. The fruit we call an "orange" was originally a "naranj" but linguistic patterning of "an naranj" eventually became "an orange" (suspected development, still hypothetical). This happened again probably because people were constantly saying things like, "In naught-6 we had a drought..." and the second 'n' was found superfluous, eventually giving "aught."

As for "y'all," as a transplanted Yankee I've had years to study this term and have found its usage to be a bit complex. There's "y'all" meaning "you-all" and also "y'all" meaning "you-and-people-like-you." The second version is a kind of extended-singular and is somewhat similar to the usage of "staff" and team sports names, like the "Utah Jazz," where the selection of a singular or plural coordinating verb is predicated on the sense of the referent. (What a great thread drift!)
 
Why not delete the decimal point and say three thousand six. That how it's some time said by more knowlagable older hunters at the local gun shop up north here.
 
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