Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by .cheese., May 24, 2008.
I have never bought a gun because a beautiful woman was standing next to it.
dude, it's florida. trust me. there are plenty of areas in the country where if you want to see an attractive person in a gun show, it's BYO
This is a funny thread because last week at the NRA convention we were looking at a high powered flashlight and what i thought was a sales lady told us they don't sell it to civilians. When we started questioning her she got all rude and stated that I don't work for the company I'm just a model.
Lead by example. Start your own company and have your products modeled by highly informed and helpful women that look like Kathy Bates. Let me know how that works out for ya.
What hes trying to say is that exploiting desires of the flesh in order to lure men into buying something they dont really want, but will purchase anyway 'in the heat of the moment' in an attempt to impress the opposite sex is something he does not approve of.
I sort of sympathize with .cheese., not just on the "sex sells" thing but on marketing in general. I find myself scratching my head with most marketing campaigns because I'm not the target audience for anything, really. "Why would anyone buy ___ just because the ad has ___?" Always my question.
One exception - I do lust after guns just based on their looks (especially semi-auto pistols, don't know why). So I guess I fit in pretty well here. But I'm not going to buy some sugar-water because some athlete drinks it, or some insurance because a British lizard wants me to buy it. (I think it would be fun to have a talking lizard, but the pet stores are fresh out.)
Come to think of it, the OTHER reason I'm not the target audience for anything is, I never have any money. Once I went to a gun show, and I splurged and bought ... some teriyaki elk jerkey. (It was excellent!)
But you looked at it.
Someone did: Matthew 5:28. "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
By that logic, SA, Dillon Precision is pimping.
Well, if you want to find out how much they really know, talk to them. Sometimes I play dumb with questions like "Is that a Mauser Nagant rifle?" or "Will that fit on my AK-15?" or "Aren't German pistols like Glocks the best?"
Sometimes it's just a case of a supportive girlfriend/wife helping take money so the table doesn't get too crowded with customers. Sometimes the women really do know their stuff, sometimes they know more than you might think, and sometimes they are there for the reason you stated.
I know it's a little different because a car show is a trade show, but when I go to the LA Auto Show, the spokesmodels actually know their stuff pretty well. They are, well, good looking and they are dressed professionally. And they didn't just memorize the brochures they are handing out. Then again, BMW probably has a bit more money then the average gun dealer.
As for the "sex sells" advertising, I find it insulting. It is as if the owner were saying "Hmmm. . . my customer base is a bunch of dumb men. The best way I can think of to get my hands on their money is to attract their attention with cute girls." I suppose it must work, or they wouldn't keep paying the Hooter's Girls, but I'm not buying from that guy unless he's the only game in town.
It's possible to go into a Hooters and not have lustful thoughts. It would give scandal to others to patronize the joint, however.
Let's be honest, here: isn't the whole theme of the restaurant the objectification of women's secondary sex characteristics?
personally i LIKE eye candy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SECONDARY? Says you!
-saspic (who never goes to Hooter's)
While some may not like that sort of thing, My wife included. Post number 33 said it right. You looked . I like pretty things. Guns and girls.
It seems that THR has many fellas who look down on such behavior with a nearly Puritan sense of condemnation. That's all well, and much better than the opposite.
I wonder, however, if they've ever considered the notion that a woman can be attractive and enjoy being admired by men without being a somethingerrather with no self-respect.
That being said, there are plenty of men who think drinking Bud Light instead of Miller Lite makes them more appealing to women, so don't expect the practice of selling "sexiness" to stop anytime, especially with the "types" of guys one might (will) see at gun shows. Is that a stereotype? Yep. Is it true? Well, I just watched 10-12 seconds of the Blue Collar Comedy Tour on TV, and I'm going to say "absolutely".
A woman can absolutely morally be attractive and enjoy being admired by men and still keep her self-respect, and allow men to respect her. But again: does Hooters not exist primarily for the purpose of men being able to ogle big-bosomed women with a thin veil of, "Oh, it's good food" over the primary purpose? Is that really "respect?" Self or otherwise?
Oh No. ya did it now.
more or less. Yeah.
That's not the issue here though. This isn't about whether or not it's ok for women to enjoy being admired. It's about women being objectified like meat or some kind of bait for the purposes of selling a product. It's bad enough in a print advertisement. It's even worse in person IMHO.
I see it at boat shows A LOT and it's clear that they're models. I was wondering in this case whether the girls/women I see at gun shows are the same idea, or if they are simply employees, relatives, or friends of the individual running the booth.
Models... they sell all kinds of products whether they are firearms, trucks, cars, tools, clothes, insurance, stock, furniture, video/music products, cosmetics, men's and womens cologne, etc.
Models come in female and male versions.
Madison Avenue figured this out a long time ago and now it is only WORSE in my opinion. You have some things being advertised in a manner that I think is crass or cheap. I am NOT knocking if a handsome man wants to sell or advertise a product. I LIKE men! I just don't want to see him like some people think that EVERYONE wants to see him. Vice versa to the guys on here with female models or eye candy as they call it. (I do think that some gross ads cheapen a man or a woman so NO offense!)
I like a product because it works, is a quality made product, lasts a long time, is easy to get FIXED if it has to EVER be fixed but in many cases... it is sometimes cheaper to buy a NEW one depending on what the said product is, etc.
Many years ago in the house that I built in my former state, I bought MANY building products to you name it. The OLD Maytag washing machine that I bought brand NEW cost more than some other brands and when I sold the house/land and moved out HERE... it was STILL working. I still had the book on it and told the buyers that I NEVER had one problem with it and that was the gospel truth. I did have to replace the Maytag dryer and I did use a clothesline outside too. They moved the set back down to the basement instead of using the laundry room area on the first floor. Their choice. I told them if they wanted it moved... they would have to do it even though they were friends and I did have friends help me move super heavy things that I could not push/slide across the original oak floors and the Armstrong floor in the kitchen and 2 bathrooms. Anyway... I bought those products because I knew of their reputation and QUALITY. That older Maytag advertisement - commercial man was NO hunk a roo ni! Grin. He was a good actor though!
I never did go to many gun shows and I am NOT knocking them. I bought my guns @ a family owned store and even though the owners sons were nice looking that did NOT influence my decision. They KNEW their product and the one guy's wife was ALWAYS kind to me and called me if something special came in... she or her husband. They were smart in guns, they were kind, they were fair in price and in some things a wee bit higher in cost but they had a great reputation, they were NOT condescending to ME even though I was a NEWBIE in 1998 buying my own guns and I came prepared with my notes, my Gun Digest, my book notes, etc. Heck, I even called S&W, Ruger and other places to ASK questions besides the friends that I met online in 'learning'! My late husband had a few guns but he was NO gun nut or expert. He KNEW what he owned and shot. He was a good shot too! I shot HIS guns before I bought my OWN GUNS, got into self defense and the shooting sports MORE!
I figure that if a model wants to work for a gun dealer or any other product dealer... it is HER choice and HIS choice in hiring her. If a lady or a gentleman do NOT want to look at her or patronize that DEALER... WALK ON BY as the old song says.
I think that MOST men like to look at pretty or younger women even if they are not dressed in a swimsuit or evening gown. It is normal from what I have seen @ my age of 57.5 years old. I think that MOST women like to see a handsome, clean, or nice looking man whether they are in boating/swimming attire, their military uniform, dress uniform, a business suit, a preppy - Joe College look, nice jeans and a shirt and even in work clothes as long as they clean up well! Ha ha! The bottom line is this... most men like women and vice versa! Duh! As my late husband and his buddies used to say... just because I LOOK, even though he was NOT obvious like some people you see, does not mean that I will touch. It means that I am not dead yet! It was a joke among guys... maybe an old military thing... I have NO clue. He WAS always tall, lean, strong and handsome no matter how he was dressed. Manly not prissy cute. If he looked or my groom/husband looks now... that does NOT mean that they were or are unfaithful and did not come home to ME. We went to most things like boat shows together. I went to most gun shows and gun stores alone except at the very beginning. He was far more into sailing and power boating than I was. I was into swimming, reading, firearms, politics, etc.
THERE are a lot of nice looking people and you can meet ALL kinds of people in this world... the bottom line is are they SMART about their product and kind? You can be nice looking, kind and SMART. You can be beautiful, handsome, ignorant and mean too!
Good and bad in all people. It did not bother me if my late husband and my husband now would notice a nice looking woman. If they did not... I would think that something was wrong with them to a degree! Sometimes what I THOUGHT would be an attractive person to THEM was NOT what they thought was beautiful.
Most people would say that when it boils down to it... CUTE does NOT Always Equal kindness, brains, common sense, honor, nice looking, clean, etc. Those quality attributes are FAR more 'sexy' than 100% model like handsome-man and vice versa for a woman.
Free will - use it or lose it. Look or don't look!
Drug companies ALWAYS send pretty young things to Doctor's offices to give away samples. But they do know their stuff. At the rate they're selling that stuff, they better.
My old boss bought some very expensive EMS equipment from the cutest chick with the shortest skirt, who just happened to repeatedly need something off the floor behind her.
My late Mom and my mentors used to call the Miss America contest and other things like that MEAT shows in the 1950's and 1960's! I have NO clue what she called them prior to that.
She was a TALL, eyeglass wearing, pretty woman too... kind of like Ingrid Bergman. My late Dad looked like Clark Gable in old and newer pictures when I was a kid and adult. Their kindness, brains, common sense, etc. qualities made them what they were even though they were NICE looking!
Ha ha and I have heard that too.
Have any of the others here gone to fire truck sales places with volunteer FD/EMT groups? Holy moly!
In my days, they were called booth babes.
Yes it is, it makes the awful wings taste better. And I have never been there.
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