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The "Dovenator's" Winchester: Truth or over-heated hype?

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  1. SwampWolf

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    I recently read a review on the Winchester Model "Super-X3" shotgun by author Brad Fitzpatrick in the 2013 issue of the Gun Digest, some of which I found to be "super" incredulous at best but mostly unbelievable. Quoting Mr. Fitzpatrick: "...If it (the Super-X3) was ever going to win fans, it had better be extremely reliable. It did that, proving it would continue to work under the worst conditions, and quickly gained a reputation as one of the most dependable semi-autos on the market. One of the first examples of this was when Dr. Scott Breeze, also known as the "Dovenator" took over 15,000 doves in a single day of shooting in Argentina with a pair of 20 gauge SX3s, setting a new world record. The SuperX3's design had shown itself to be fail-safe, even under such brutal shooting conditions."

    Taking nothing away from the many merits the SuperX3 shotgun has, does anyone else find this supposed feat bordering on the impossible? Assuming an eight hour day, sans lunch and rest breaks, shooting at and killing over 15,000 doves (that I assume were flying) seems to me to be nothing more than a flight of fantasy. After all, there are (according to "Alexis") only about 28,800 seconds in every eight hours, which would mean the Dovenator would have to kill a dove every two seconds or so.

    I will concede that how many hours constituted "a single day" was never stipulated. Maybe the Dovenator shot through the night and the next morning to account for his pile of 15,000 birds...:what:
     
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    Not buying the story, At best and find it reprehensible and wonton killing the worst.
     
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    Seems like a lot, but dove in Argentina are a nuisance and hunters are encouraged to kill as many as possible.

     
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    I like math so lets see what he actually did:
    Assume that he had 14 hours of daylight (from 6 AM to 8 PM).
    15,000 doves/14 hrs=1,071 doves per hour
    1,071 doves per hour = 18 doves per minute
    18 doves per minute = 1 dove every 3.33 seconds
    Shooting 1 dove every 3.33 seconds for 14 hours non stop is possible I suppose, especially if they are so thick that you down more than one with one shot.
    However it does not sound like a fun day at the local corn field & in my humble opinion a record I personally would not be proud to hold.
     
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    One shooter, one "loader."
     
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    A gun writer that is full of b$... nah... couldn't be! LOL!
     
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    Well he should of been able to broil the doves by just holding the barrels near the doves.
    Probably more like 3-4 loaders as they get too tired to keep up. And keep enough skids of ammo available to feed the guns.
    Not sure I buy the entire story, but I know a couple guys that have shot doves in Argentina, said it was nothing to drop 3-5 doves with one shot and they would go through as many shells as they could handle physically, but there were generally lulls in the flights of doves coming into the fields.
     
  8. paulsj

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    I hate to tell you this but Winchester factory in New Heaven CT closed years ago. I do believe Super X3 is basically Browing Gold.
     
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    Back in the 1970s a Remington 1100 20 gauge went over 24,000 rounds without any failures with no cleaning in between. But that is not the main reason I have one.
     
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  11. SwampWolf

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    No, one shooter; aka "Dovenator".
     
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    On the surface I agree with you and under any other circumstance would say you are correct. The one instance where I will disagree with you is this one - dove hunting in Argentina.
     
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    Internally they are the same.
     
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    I find 15,000 dove hard to believe too. On the other hand I own four SX3’s, two 20 gauges and two 12 gauges and do believe they are very durable and reliable.
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    Funny
    I don't have any shotgun I can't shoot dove with. Whats the point.
     
  16. paulsj

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    I feel your dissapointment. I wish we had woodpigeons like they have in Europe.
     
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    As I said, "Taking nothing away from the many merits the SuperX3 shotgun has...", my only point was/is that one man killing 15,000 doves in a single day seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. The SX3 shotgun has indeed been proven to be a very durable and reliable shotgun from all accounts.
     
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    Perhaps it is a mis-print? 1500, though still a slaughter, is probably feasible.
     
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    I don’t believe it’s a typo.
     
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    Two loaders and 3 guns in rotation with a 4th for backup, provided by Winchester.

    Its not like the guy Accidently or just happened to set the record, he trained and planned for months
     
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  22. SwampWolf

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    Not a typo. The author used the 15,000 figure twice in his article. Of course, it's possible he typo'd twice, I suppose.
     
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    I simply quoted what the author reported: A "pair" of 20 gauge Winchester SX3 shotguns, not three or four, were used. Too, the author never said how many, if any, loaders were employed (I would say that's it's safe to assume at least one loader was used). Maybe you are privy to more information regarding this specific event than the author provided; if so, please share.
     
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    I dunnu, I suppose you could click the link in my post above....which takes you to the article you referenced....
     
  25. SwampWolf

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    I did read it and I guess I can only assume that the article I quoted in the 2013 issue of the Gun Digest pertains to the same event as the one in the link you provided. That said, it seems that the author (Brad Fitzpatrick) I referenced reported the event differently and likely inaccurately, at least in terms of the number of guns used. As improbable as the "feat" is and as arguable as the nature of the ethics of it might be to some, killing over 15,000 birds, even in a 14 hour day, is pretty astonishing to me- and if you knew how well I hit flushing grouse, you'd understand why. :(
     
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