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The equipment snobs are going to be laughing at me.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by GRIFFIN1, Apr 3, 2006.

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  1. GRIFFIN1

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    Barska 8-32x44 on a Savage 10FP. I put the sun shade on the scope to make it look even more ridiculous. I bought the scope from Walmart with the idea that I would take it back if it was junk. It seems like it's good enough to keep for now, but I should know for sure once I take it shooting.

    I just hope I'm the only one at the range when I pull this thing out.

    The gun, scope, and bipod all came from Walmart. I'll never buy another gun from Walmart. I was standing around the sporting goods counter for an hour and fifteen minutes while two managers and the regular worker tried to get the paperwork done.
     
  2. mustanger98

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    GRIFFIN1, I wouldn't be embarrassed by the looks of your rifle. I know I'm not real big on tacticool, but my Savage M11GL's wearing see-through mounts, a Harris bi-pod, and one of those elastic cuff type shell holders on the stock. These kinda cease to look like deer rifles when you get into bipods, but they should prove good in benchrest and anti-varmint applications.

    I don't know about Barska scopes. I usually buy Simmons 3-9x32.

    I've yet to buy a gun at Wallyworld for fear of the situation you just described. However, I do buy ammo there from time to time... mostly .30-30, .243Win, and .22LR. The girls behind the sporting goods counter seem to know something about .22's at the Wallyworld I go to.
     
  3. rockstar.esq

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    Thing about equipment snobs is that anything that's affordable and works just as well will be looked down upon on general principal. Don't forget that many snobs believe in purchasing the absolute finest firearm for a particular application then they don't shoot it so as to protect their investment. I say get to the range and print yourself a respectable group. To me that's the final say on what's worth having. I don't know what caliber you bought but if you've got a .308Win I'd suggest you try the Black Hills Match ammo with the 168gr Sierra BTHP. Mine loves them big time!
     
  4. beerslurpy

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    All guns are meant to be shot unless they are very old historical guns. Anything tacticool is a waste of money if it isnt shot frequently.
     
  5. PATH

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    That looks like a nice rifle to me. If you enjoy it then let the snobs be damned! I hope you enjoy shooting it!
     
  6. Fire4Effect

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    just don't cut the barrel down or you'll get flash burns on the scope... Other than that... have fun with it:D
     
  7. swingset

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    Sounds like you're already laughing at yourself...why worry about equipment snobs if you're going to have an inferiority complex at the range?

    Shoot your gun and enjoy it. If it works, laugh all the way to the bank. If it doesn't, go buy better stuff.

    I'm not at the range for style points, ever. If someone laughs at my gear, I can always elect to shoot at them. :neener:
     
  8. Fire4Effect

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    Remember this...after all the laughing is done, the holes in the center of the target will laugh last...
     
  9. LeonCarr

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    Hey GRIFFIN1,

    I love it when guys with inexpensive rifles go to the range and outshoot the equipment snobs. Keep your rifle the way it is, find a load it likes, and shoot it until it becomes part of you. If something breaks or doesn't work right, replace it with something better when funds are available.

    Somebody asked me once upon a time what the difference was between a rifle that shot 3/4 MOA, and a rifle that shot 1/2 MOA. I replied, "about 2500 dollars". :)

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  10. USMCRotrHed

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    A couple of weeks ago I took my fresh out of the box CMP Garand to a 600 yard match. I had milsurp ammo, my pad was an old camping sleep pad, and I borrowed someone's binoculars. They all had tricked out competition F class rifles with awesome scopes and all the cool equipment. I was welcomed by everyone there. They were happy another person showed interest in their event.

    Just go out and shoot!
     
  11. Schleprok62

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    Hell... you have nothing there to be embarrassed about... Nice rifle, and I haven't heard anything really bad about Barka scopes... yet... I have the Plinker 22 model on my Rem 597, and it's a great scope... haven't had to reajdust it yet... after about 1000 rounds od general plinking...

    Just put some holes in some paper and give us a range report... :neener:

    Oh, and that is a nice setup!! :cool:
     
  12. redneck2

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    Guess I'm missing something...

    don't understand why anyone would laugh. Gotta start somewhere and few start at the top. At most places I've shot, guys fall all over themselves to help you out. Just make sure you don't interrupt their shooting or prep time.

    Your biggest challenge on "entry level" equipment is maintaining integrity. I had a cheap Simmons scope. Wouldn't hold zero. Would creep as much as 4 inches at 100 yards. Unfortunately, I was new enough in the precision shooting game that I struggled way too long with a set-up that never could perform

    IMO, you biggest areas of concern are (after your technique)

    (1) scope integrity, including mounts
    (2) quality of ammo
    (3) rifle brand

    If you don't handload, I'd suggest starting

    And...the sun shade's there for a reason. It shades the sun (hence the name). Good thing to have. It's not just for looks.
     
  13. USSR

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    Snobs? Since when is someone who wants and can afford something that excels under any and all circumstances deemed a snob? I'd call that guy a lucky SOB.

    Don
     
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    The finest range moment I had was when I pulled out my 12" 223 TC with a Simmons 4x32 pistol scope on it...set up next to a fella that had a VERY nice Styer Mannlicher...Nikon Monarch scope...I even walked over to him and told him so...he was somewhat aloof but accepted the praise with SOME graciousness...not much...but some...then we proceeded to shoot some paper...he was somewhat annoyed that his rifle wasn't as loud as my muzzle-tame'd TC. :)


    After it was all said and done...his little Styer with the Nikon glass was showing a decent group of about 1-3/4" groups at 100 with his 308...I told him handloads should tighten up the group.

    He then looked upon my paper...I had a very good, very lucky day...

    shot two 1-1/4 groups with three of the five touching and none out of the X ring.

    Funny thing was, he didn't comment about my groups...

    That TC setup, my first, cost me all of about 375 bucks...including the glass. I am sure that his rig was a shade over 2 grand...it's those types of moments that make it worth going to a public range now and then. :neener:

    My friend, go forth and shoot thy paper with no shame. :D

    d

    PS...DAMN nice looking rig, brother. I would be proud to have it in my gun cabinet. :)
     
  15. dfaugh

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    No snobbery here...

    Especially since I've been eye-balling pretty much the same setup! Yes, I'd love to be able to spend more, but can't justify it. about the only thing that's kept me from buying it is the stock on the Savage, the synthetic stock on the couple I looked at just didn't "feel" right...Made well enough, just not to my liking. So when I do it, I have to figure on spending some more $$ on a stock.

    As far as che...err, inexpensive scopes go, I've used inexpensive scopes for 30 years, mostly Tascos...I've looked at the Barskas and they seem quite decent for the money. The only person I know who has bought one (I think the same as yours) loves it, so far.

    I suspect you'll find that this setup is capable of very,very good, and maybe stellar accuracy.
     
  16. ball3006

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    The price of the gun....

    is not directly proportional to the accuracy of the gun. I have outshot several multi thousand dollar guns at the range with my 90 dollar Mosin Nagant 91/30 with open sights.......I don't bother telling them that Tikka installed the barrel in 1943...hehehe.......Your rifle looks just fine to me.........chris3
     
  17. mustanger98

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    This brings to mind a story I've related several times of the cast bullet match I shot back in August... one guy had a Browning HighWall .45-70 with a Browning rear sight that cost $450. I was shooting my old '94 .30-30 with the Lyman #2 tang sight... had the target aperture in... I outshot him across the bench and offhand standing both, then outshot him and everybody else in the bucket match. My old '94 only cost about half what that one guy's rear sight cost.
     
  18. wanderinwalker

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    Looks like a shooter to me. What's wrong with the rifle? Shoot good ammo and it will punch nice, neat little knots. Isn't that enough? :cool:

    I love shooting at Highpower matches with my "cheap" gear and factory Armalite rifle. Nobody ever told me you need $400 jackets, $500 spotting scopes and a rifle with every mod known to man to shoot Master-and-higher scores. The only thing that has put me in my place so far was shooting at Camp Perry. I'm not sure but I think my tired old barrel (I don't remember how many rounds) may have given up the ghost that week! :rolleyes:

    Oh yeah, and you want to make equipment snobs get uppity? Pull out an old iron-sighted 1903A3 and punch groups as good as theirs. And then tell them that their trickled charges, weighed bullets, sorted cases and turned necks aren't needed for 1.5-MOA accuracy.

    Good luck with the Savage. Hope it's a shooter! And Wal-Mart isn't the only place that can screw up paperwork, FWIW. :scrutiny:
     
  19. whm1974

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    In the first place these snobs are not buying that kind of equipment. They buy way overpriced stuff and cause prices to rise for the rest of us.

    I have heard this sort of thing from other people who have surplus rifles. A piece of equipment is no better then the person using it.

    -Bill
     
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    Snobs? Since when is someone who wants and can afford something that excels under any and all circumstances deemed a snob? I'd call that guy a lucky SOB.


    whm1974,

    Would you care to explain how someone buying a Schmidt & Bender scope made in Germany and selling for about $2500 impacts the price you pay for a $250 scope? If anything, the sale of cheap scopes made in some third-world country have the effect of driving down scope prices. That's something that would be learned in a basic Econ101 course. I'm afraid what we've got here is a bit of that little green monster -- Envy. While I personally cannot afford a $2500 scope, I certainly don't begrudge someone who can. More power to them.

    Don
     
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    looks ok.
    but anyhow who the hell cares how it looks. If you can out perform the equip snoobs, with your budget black rifle I would be dang proud! It is always nice to pull some thing out that just a little cheaper and out perform the best.


    now get out there and practice:)
     
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    If it performs to your expectations while within your budget, then you're all set!

    But, on those clear nights when you're not shooting, you can indeed amortize some of the cost of that rig by counting the rings on Saturn, and scoping out the face of the Moon. I'd take the bolt out, though, so as not to scare the kids and neighbors. ;)

    Wanderinwalker, are you running a 1903 Springfield in a benchrest match these days? :eek:

    Those reloading tricks of the trade aren't intended for 1.5 MOA, and if they are, it's to allow a sorry example of a bolt gun to shoot that well in spite of other problems. BTW, I'd love to find a 1903A3 that does 1/10" groups at 200 yards repeatably. I'll even buy that rig, or trade the owner a new Stolle Panda or Nesika Bay for it, because it's worth the weight in gold.
     
  23. armoredman

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    I love shooting my $50 Enfield, and free Mosin, as well as the $150 Yugo SKS, and too heck with anyone who thinks they are too "cheap" to touch - they'll keep runnning LONG after thier uberexpensive tacticool supersniper falls to peices...
     
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    You don't really believe that do you? Expensive guns can last just as long and be just as reliable. And be just as accurate. ;)

    Anyway, people really give me funny looks when I pull out a blue & wood Finnfire Hunter .22 with a silver Weaver T-36 mounted on it with one blue ring and one silver ring. I normally use a black T-36, but it has x-hairs and the silver one has a dot reticle (it was a steal, but only available in silver.)

    John
     
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    Nope, not at all. I'm a Highpower shooter; don't really care to get beat up at the bench with something like an '03.

    I was just commenting on the shooters I've shot against who spend all of their time reloading and very little shooting. One night at our 300-yard prone league I outshot a fellow running a heavy Bushy Varmint AR with my Armalite Service Rifle. He asked me what my load was. I replied "24.5 of Varget and a 69." He said, "Wow!! That's what I use! I trickle the charges, sort my cases and do blah blah blah. How do you do it?" I laughed and said, "Run my progressive if I'm in a hurry, just toss the powder with the LEE measure if I've got some time." He just about fell over from the shock! ;) BTW, his rig wore a Harris bipod and big moonscope, and I shot with irons and a sling.

    As for the '03, the same shooter once looked it over and pronounced it had a dark bore. I laid down prone at 100 and put 5 rounds into a nice 1.5" group and said, "Yeah, the bore's a little dark." :p
    This was after enduring the lecture of how I should trickle my charges when using H4350 and I really needed to optimize the seating depth of my bullets. (The load is with Winchester primers, LC brass, a 168gr Nosler J4 and H4350. I just seat them as long as the mag will take them and run like I stole it! ;) )
     
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