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The F.B.I. just informed me that they can't read my fingerprints ....

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by PcolaDawg, Feb 12, 2009.

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  1. PcolaDawg

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    ... and as a result, they can't do a criminal background check on me. So I had to go to the Sheriff's office again yesterday for them to get an electronic reading of my fingerprints (again). I then had the Sheriff's office give me a letter stating that they couldn't get a good print of my fingerprints because of 'wear' on my fingertips. The grooves and ridges on my finger tips have worn down so much that the print just comes out as a big smudge.

    So it's going to take even longer for me to get a Florida CCW license now. :banghead:

    On the plus side, the FBI can't read my fingerprints. :)

    P.S. I am only required to submit my fingerprints twice. After that, if the FBI can't read them, they will approve my license without me having to submit a third set.
     
  2. expvideo

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    Sorry this is happening to you. This actually happens from time to time. This isn't the first time I've heard of the FBI having to re-request fingerprints.
     
  3. twoclones

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    So what caused that? Do you work handling something abrasive?
     
  4. rainbowbob

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    I'm certainly no expert (although my father was) - but it sounds like the technician's error. Even "worn" grooves and ridges should leave a distinctive and unique print if taken properly. Perhaps you should find another technician and try again.

    If you don't mind my asking - How did your fingerprints get so worn down?
     
  5. Shung

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    that is what you get when your work hard !

    If you were a low life gangbanger, your fingerprints would just have been perfect and "brand new" :neener:
     
  6. rainbowbob

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    Much to my surprise, I found the following in an article on fingerprints.

    In the"old" days, they took them manually rather electronically. The technicians were better trained then (many of them by my father). I suspect that may be the difference.
     
  7. rainbowbob

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    Here is more info on how a competent technician can get good prints from worn fingers:

     
  8. taprackbang

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    IMO, That ain't necessarily a bad thing.
     
  9. expvideo

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    The police department should have a chemical wipe that will raise even the most worn finger prints. I've seen something used for this before, but I don't remember if it was a wipe or a spray or something else, just that it worked miraculously well. The technician should have used it, but it may not be available. Ask them to see if their forensic department has anything that could help.
     
  10. REB

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    When I applied for my Florida permit I tried twice to get good prints with the electronic system and it just didn't work. I ended up sending in the old fashion finger print card.
     
  11. Sato Ord

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    What gets me is they have to have a current set. I can see that they might be looking for someone who has tried to alter their prints, but what has that got to do with a background investigation. That's more like currently looking for criminals, not trying to see if your background is hinky.

    I've been printed more times than most criminals. They've taken my prints and run a background check every time I've gotten a new position working with children and/or the elderly. The FBI has checked me so many times over the years I'm almost on a first name basis with them. If I had altered my prints in some way it wouldn't fit my background anyway, so why the fuss. I don't mind, but it's a pain in the butt when you have to this once a year or more. Of course, since I have pretty much given up working due to my physical condition the first time I had been finger printed in a while was when I applied for my permit over a year ago.

    Like I said tough, couldn't they use an older set, jeeze, it costs me forty bucks every time they do this, and I could better spend that money on ammo!
     
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    corn huskers oil... seems to work every time, they use it on my prints, I'm not that old but I worked doing manual labor for years, plus I have one smashed print.
     
  13. rfwobbly

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    Could also be the wife.... tell her no more honey-dos !!
     
  14. CoRoMo

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    I recall hearing that people who are born without sweat glands also do not have fingerprints. Their fingers are smooth like your cheek.
     
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    The first time mine were taken by the FBI was about twenty years ago. They made a lot of fuss over one of my "thumb prints" as I didn't really have one --that part of my thumb was torn up pretty badly at the time, and the "thumb print" of that hand was a mostly confused mess. I would have thought this was more common. One of my clients is missing the first joint of his index finger on one hand -- what would they do with him?
     
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    I have worked with the leading company that provides (biometric) fingerprint scanning technology to Federal, State and banking communities.

    Modern fingerprinting is no longer taking a real photo and comparing it to the equivalent of a mugshot book to see if it matches any bad guys. Everything is stored as digital data (algorithms) nowadays including fingerprint data. Electronic fingerprint scanners records various points of your fingerprint and not a total finger photo. Imagine that a computer lays a spiderweb grid over the various swirls & whorls of your fingerprint and records them -this pattern is completely unique to the individual.

    This 'map' is used to determine someone's identity -however, if many of these points are damaged or worn-away, there is no modern method to read and determine someone's identity via digital fingerprint information.
     
  17. Just One Shot

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    +1 on the corn huskers.

    The Sheriff dept. where I had mine done uses it. They did mine and got a good read but the girl said it could be better so she had me rub the corn huskers into my finger tips and it really made the details stand out.
     
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    pcola dawg,

    exact thing just happened to a co-worker at the Escambia County ESO.

    sounds like they have a problem with they way they are doing them.
     
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    is a problem for lots of folks who work with cement block,and to some extent,bricklayers. jwr
     
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    My sister in law lives in Florida. She had hers taken twice. For some reason a chemical cleaners she had used in the past had made several of her prints unreadable. they tried several times. She still got her permit.
     
  21. accordingtoome

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    i made it a point to file my thumbprints down when i got my new DL at the DMV. :rolleyes:
     
  22. PcolaDawg

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    I honestly don't know. I've been trying to figure it out. I don't work for a living, I'm an attorney. :cool:
     
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    They had another techician take the prints the second time and they still couldn't get good prints. She even did her own so I could see the difference.

    And, the first time I had them done, the technician told me they'd be getting them back in two months as unreadable, I just didn't believe her.

    As to what caused my fingerprints to get so worn down, I don't know. I'm 'only' 46 and I don't work for a living -- I'm an attorney. So I have no idea what caused it. And my left hand is much worse than my right which doesn't make sense because I'm right-hand dominant. :confused:
     
  24. PcolaDawg

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    Well, that's the exact place I had mine done, so maybe you're right. On the bright side, if the second prints are unreadable, they have to give me my CCW license anyway, it didn't cost me anything to get the second set of prints done (except a lot of waiting time for my CCW to come in :fire:) and ....

    The FBI can't read my fingerprints. I don't know why, but that thought makes me happy. :)
     
  25. PcolaDawg

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    LOL! Heck, I don't even do the dishes at home. I have a wife and kids for that. :D So I have no idea why my fingerprints can't be read.

    I had to be fingerprinted and investigated when I took the LSAT, Florida and Georgia Bar, and when they did my initial background investigations in each state, and had no problem.

    Of course, that was 20 years ago and it was done manually, so that might have something to do with it.
     
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