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The Hi-Point Throwdown

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Justin, Jul 8, 2010.

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  1. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

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    So, over at Way of the Multigun, I've decided to throw down the gauntlet.

    So many people seem to really dig the Hi-Point pistols, I figured I'd see what would happen if one was run through its paces in a side-by-side test with another pistol.

    So I threw down a gauntlet here.

    And it got picked up by the marketing guy behind Hi-Point in the comments section.

    The followup is here.

    The pistol should be delivered next week, and I'll be regularly updating the blog with the results from running it in some local Steel Challenge matches.
     
  2. CoRoMo

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    Is the particular C9 supposed to be a random pick from the assembly line? Not that it should matter much.

    edit: nevermind, I read his comment
     
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  3. W.E.G.

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    I'm looking forward to this. I have no doubt that it won't make the cut, but I'm still a fan of the Hi-Point through and through. It's an inexpensive, reliable firearm that serves a purpose for those of us who are defense or fun-minded (range fun that is). Plus, Hi-Point is the only company with a no-questions-asked asked lifetime warranty that extends to the second or third owner of the gun.
     
  5. bikerdoc

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    Not a pistol but the 995 carbine has won me a lot of money at the range from doubters
     
  6. Deaf Smith

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    Haven't shot their pistols but the 995 carbine is actually a good little rifle. Quite accurate and reliable. Their new 'tactical' one is kind of over jazzed up but still ok (but I'd take off that buttstock part that I think is a recoil reducer. It's totaly unnecessary.

    Oh, and if I was them, I'd bring one out in .357 Sig. No other company makes one and that would be almost an M1 Carbine.

    And one more thing, THEY NEED THEM TO USE GLOCK MAGS!!!

    Deaf
     
  7. rklessdriver

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    This seems interesting. I'm glad a major distributor for Hi-Point took you up on the deal. I'll be watching for your updates...
    Will
     
  8. Strahley

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    Can't wait to see the results
     
  9. GojuBrian

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    I subscribed to this thread. I haven't tested the hi-points myself, but I have friends that would only suggest buying the rifles.
     
  10. Nasty

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    Wouldn't about a million people be pretty embarrassed if the Hi-Point actually hangs in the competition?

    You go Justin...the Cheap Force is with you!
     
  11. forindooruseonly

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    I'll be following this. I'm an admitted gun snob and would never own one, but I would like to see how it does perform in an honest test. Even if you don't shoot it as well, if you can actually do alright with it I would be fairly impressed. I do believe that cheap guns have a place and if the hi-point works, good for them.
     
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    Very interesting.
     
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    I admit to being a gun snob too but this speaks very well for Hi Point and here's hoping it performs well. Inexpensive firearms need love too.

    Now, if only I could force myself to stand fast and not run away in horror upon seeing a C9. :what:
     
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    No question they are butt-ugly, but that carbine is a ton of fun. I can't wait to see how this all shakes out.
     
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    Any honest testing *not* coming from a gun rag (read kickbacks, advertising dollars, etc) will be appreciated.

    I have little doubt that the Hi-Point will eventually be crushed in some way, either by wear and tear, parts failures, reliability issues or some other factor primarily due to simple round count, but if we translate the success it may see into real world use (carried a lot, many nights on a bedstand, miles in a glovebox, etc)...they may indeed be proclaimed a Champion for the *average* users who currently own thousands of them and rely on them to protect themselves and their families.

    This could be groundbreaking.

    I hope it is.
     
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    Oh, they're not that bad. You will run slower, though. The heavy slide gives a greater apparent recoil and makes refreshing your sight picture take longer. Other than that, I really have nothing bad to say about the C9 my buddy picked up for $60. It just works.
     
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    I will be following this. I am also interested in how the Hi-point will fair. I wish you luck.
     
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    I want to watch this. I know a couple of guys that own Hi Points. One says it does okay as long as you keep it clean. The other said he had problems with it jamming a lot. I came close to buying one a couple of years ago when they had them new at a show for $99. There were too many other things I wanted to do with my gun money to buy a gun just to mess with & see if it would work though.
     
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    looking forward to this thread :)
     
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    I had to recheck the address line in my browser after reading this. "High Road?"

    I might also add that if you go onto most any gun forum on the internet you'll find a thread started by someone who never shot a Hi Point pontificate about how ugly they are, how poorly they're made, how inefficient an operating system they use, etc. And to that, anyone who defends the brand sees a usual recrimination from the forum "gun shop" guy telling all who will listen that Hi Points are only bought by "thugs" or "criminals." So maybe some of you folks get your "gun snob" slams thrown back because you bought and paid for them in spades.

    As far as I know, MKS is the sole distributor for Hi Point.

    And I must have missed the claims from the folks who said their Hi Point was the best gun in the world. I own a C-9, along with several other guns, a few even cheaper than my Hi Point. I have a Mosin Nagant for example that cost me around $60.00 less than my C-9, and it shoots quite accurately as well, if you can stand the recoil. But I loved the comments by your loyal and loving readers about the brand, just as kind words as you usually see from those who, again, just as likely never shot one in their lives.

    But forgive me for being skeptical about your fair, unbiased assessment of the brand.
     
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    Justin:

    I will repeat the gist of what I said to you in the other post that was locked, and what I said at Tam's place.

    The Hi-point is intended as a defensive gun for people who can't afford better- and it's a much better choice than the Ring-Of-Fire guns. It's intended to be stuck in a nightstand or toolbox and kept for just in case. It's not intended for a competition pistol. It's the equivalent of entering a $500 CraigsList Honda in the Indy 500 (instead of the 24-hours of LeMons).

    If the C9 does well for you, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

    As a supporter of the Hi-Point pistols- when used for the purpose they were designed- I can say that I wish you well. But I don't think you'll be 100% satisfied. I never said that a Hi-Point was as good as or better than a quality handgun (Glock, Sig, XD, etc). And I said it right on Tam's- a good used S&W Model 10 beats a Hi-Point in nearly any area that you care to quantify except price and capacity.

    But if you need a gun- and can't afford more than $100- you could do a lot worse than Hi-Point. The two examples in my family work, on the nastiest surplus 9mm or my lead handloads. They are not ergonomically pleasant, light, easy handling guns, and they will give you a nasty slide kiss above your thumb if you choke up too high.

    Think of them like a spare tire. Not a great tire. But it will get you home.

    Good luck with your endeavor.
     
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    If the one you get is anything like the one I've got, I think you'll be surprised. I doubt you'll clean anybody's clock with it, but it should work just fine.

    Well, I think that was sort of tongue in cheek, but I have seen a bunch of threads where Hi-Point owners have said their guns were "just as good" as (insert brand name here). Don't kid yourself, Hi-Point fans can be just as snobby as anybody. A Hi-Point might shoot just as well as (insert brand name here) but that doesn't make it "just as good."
     
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    Won't it be a hoot if it *does* hang with the big boys though?
     
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    The HiPoint is not marketed as a match gun, it's an inexpensive gun for people that cannot or do not want to spend a lot of money for protection. I have serious doubts that the reviewer will be objective.
     
  25. W.E.G.

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    The Steel Challenge is a challenging event FOR THE SHOOTER.

    I don't think it especially challenges the gun.

    If I understand the game correctly, you shoot roughly a half-dozen steel targets as fast as you can.
    Each target must be hit.
    You get graded for speed.

    Each shooter fires are several relays, but not so many to challenge the gun in any meaningful way.

    I expect the Hi-Point to function without issue in this game.

    I assume the game is fired in different classes (i.e. "race guns" don't compete with "stock" guns)

    Unless the shooter is a Master-Class shooter, I doubt that choice-of-gun will have any substantial impact on score.
     
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