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  1. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member

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    I just got online and had an alert from the ISRA. They are endorsing Kirk Dillard for governor in the republican primary next Tuesday. Dillard supports an assault weapons ban. :fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:
    In an answer to an Associated Press Survey Dillard said:
    http://www.chicagobusiness.com/arti...51/gop-governor-candidates-differ-on-gun-laws
    This is what the ISRA said:

     
  2. MErl

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    Are there other reasons someone might support him? Something like he has a chance if he gets the nomination and nobody pro-gun on the other side has any chance either?

    Or is ISRA just a wholly owned front for the republican party? There are some elections where a single item activism group has to say "There is no good candidate." This is still primaries though right? There has to be someone in a primary race, you even spoke of one of the democrats being more pro gun than that.

    Is there any other group that could represent gun owners in IL? Don't think I would remain a member of an organization like the one you have portrayed. (they did not do you very well on conceal carry follow through as I recall)
     
  3. Red Wind

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    Only in Illinois. Ryan,Blago,Quinn, now??????? This man is no friend of ours. It's for the children. :rolleyes:

     
  4. Neo-Luddite

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    It would appear that ISRA is parroting the NRA endorsed guy--as the literature stuffed in my mailbox today contends--that Dillard is NRA approved.

    IMHO Dillard stands little practical chance, or even less than the other boys in the running, of defeating Quinn. I voted for Brady last time, when my Union backed Quinn. Brady made a good showing, and Quinn has proved an all-around buffoon on RKBA and still owes many state employees back pay---in my case enough cash to buy a super clean M1941 Johnson for the collection. So to circle back to the topic at hand, I don't know what to make of this endorsement. It could be one of the machinations of the unique brand of politics played in Illinois or some kind of 'give a dog a bone'.
     
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    ISRA can pee off.
    I'm voting for Bill Brady.
    Schrock stays in the House too.
     
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    Just like my union, I say Fum. I vote for Brady in primary and the Quinn's opponent in the fall.
     
  7. slumlord44

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    I am an ISRA member and got their email today recommending him. Don't particularly like him either but the problem is he may be the only Republican with a shot at winning. My choice would have to be anyone other than seeing the current governor reelected. That is one of many reasons we have our current president. Not voting for him because of principal and there by reelecting the current governor would be a mistake.
     
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    If Brady can't beat Quinn and Dillard could have, you lose.
     
  9. Jeff White

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    Have you looked at the polling? No one is close to Rauner. So if the ISRA is simply interested in winning thinking they will have clout in the governor's officer they are probably backing the wrong man.

    The issue here is the ISRA backing an assault weapons ban. I'm sure they will probably try to sell it to us as a win like the conceal and carry a firearm in your car bill was.
     
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    Anyone who supports an "assault weapons" ban either wants to ban all firearms or they simply have no idea what an "assault weapon" actually is. I'm amazed that any gun group would support a candidate that supports a ban like that.
     
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    In my opinion, the only capacity we need to be concerned with is the capacity of the bad guy to do harm. Focus on the fool, not the tool.
     
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    Possibilities that he's playing both sides and is actually a Pro 2A candidate? I'm a realist. Not an optimist. But if the left can lie to get elected, why can't the right? Morally or ethically correct? No. But the end result is his election.

    If I'm wrong about him and he is really for banning assult weapons, he is not in any form or fashion Pro 2A
     
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    It sounds like he is playing both sides. Is he a better choice than Quinn, Madigan or any other Dem on the ticket? Like Big Bore said, what's a little white lie in a political speech? Unless you know someone who is a better choice AND can win, do what you gotta do.
     
  14. Vern Humphrey

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    If this is true, I have to say the people of Illinois have no one to blame but themselves.
     
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    Did he truly say he supports a ban? From that quote alone, you can't tell. I could say I'm concerned because not enough people have these weapons and appear to rely to heavily on other people to ensure their safety.
     
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    i don't support or want any kind of gun control but i can tell you almost all gun owners in south louisiana i talk to would want an assault weapons ban but realize their hunting shotgun and rifle would be next. "you don't need a 100 round clip to kill a deer".

    they think the 2nd amendment is about hunting. this idea has been burned in people's brain generations ago. how did this happen? there are five guys i know very well that have ak47s cause i talked them into it. thats the only reason they have it.
     
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    The idea of backing a Republican who is soft on the Constitution just because he might have a chance to beat the Democrat ...? Democrat Light is still Democrat. A liberal is a liberal regardless of party affiliation.

    Vern said, "the people of Illinois have no one to blame but themselves." Very true. As long as we keep electing and re-electing these morons, there's no reason for the parties to believe they're doing anything wrong. They just want to win so they can be in power. As voters, we seem to be collectively OK with that. Sad.
     
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    No, blame not the people of Illinois, but Chicago, whose voters overrule everything down state.
     
  19. Jeff White

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    I don't know why the voters are to be blamed for the fact that the NRA affiliated gun rights organization for the state decided to endorse the ONE candidate that came out in favor of an AWB.

    The problem is with the ISRA, not the voters or the people of Illinois.

    I send these people money to lobby for me in the legislature. They obviously have been co-opted by the political system they are working in. The only other recommendation they made on this primary was about the issue of term limits:

    From 27 Feb 14:
    http://campaign.r20.constantcontact...a_RKhzTC91RHj5Lamf-8It8LOpEsGJ7k9jbimobTIKw==
    The ISRA is going through an identity crisis. Is it a gun rights organization or a conservative organization. Why does the ISRA care about term limits? Shouldn't they be concerned with the gun issue and nothing else? Isn't that why the NRA endorses democrats?

    I honestly believe that two paid lobbyists Richard Pearson and Todd Vandermyde both are too close to the people they lobby. Anti-gunners should fear them and what they can do to them in the polls. It's obvious they don't. When there are four republicans trying to win the nomination and the only one who comes out in favor of more gun control can count on the ISRA to endorse him, they obviously aren't afraid of them. It's more like they have them in their vest pocket.

    A couple years back when a notoriously anti-gun state senator was caught faking security guard credentials so he could carry a gun Vandermyde was all over the internet urging people not to be hard on him because he was really a good guy. He may have even registered and posted here.
     
  20. Neo-Luddite

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    Really, the ISRA *could* be on the brink of expanding into a much larger organization~but that will come down to leadership and good choices. I'd like to think this is a hiccup.
    On the other hand, I think they do well to oppose term limits as it would ultimately limit their lobbying efforts and the value of relationships built over time. Or maybe we're all rubes being huckstered.
     
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    This seems to be a clear summary of the ISRA's current leadership.
     
  22. Jeff White

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    That shouldn't be an issue that's on their radar at all. Do you get email from the NRA about other issues? I don't!

    I think there is a pattern of inconsistency here that suggests they have been in Chicago/Springfield too long and are more concerned with being part of the "in crowd" then they are with advancing our agenda in the capitol.

    An anti-gun legislator is an anti-gun legislator no matter how nice and personable he may be. That makes him the enemy. His public hypocrisy is something to be exploited to advance our cause. It's not something that you urge your supporters to give him a pass on like Vandermyde did.

    I wouldn't doubt that the other side looks at Pearson and Vandermyde as incompetent boobs who they buy off with invitations to the right parties and golf outings.

    We had them by the throat with the 7th Circuit ruling on concealed carry and they accepted a bill that has so many vague paragraphs and prohibited places to carry that it's basically permission to load the pistol you have in the console of your car.

    My gut tells me they accepted that to give their "friends" on the other side of the issue a way out, "because they are really nice people once you get to know them".
     
  23. Trent

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    Jeff, I ran in to one of the directors of the ISRA yesterday in person. Even have his card in my wallet right now.

    We got to talking about concealed carry (I saw his bumper stickers and started a conversation, showed him my concealed carry ID, etc).

    What I heard from shocked me.

    "You know the ISRA was 90% responsible for winning that lawsuit and getting concealed carry, right?"

    (I thought that was the second amendment foundation?)

    And... the one that REALLY shocked me:

    "Well, I know everyone got mad about the restrictions in place, but we HAD to agree to all of the restrictions to get the vote through. We gave them everything they wanted because we knew we could whittle away at them over time."

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    I ended the conversation at that point. Had other things to do.
     
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    yep, politicians are worth the paper you wipe with.
    Yes, they are politicians too.
    The ISRA is another political group with an agenda.
    This one is supposed to be for our gun rights.
    Too bad they didn't oppose the restrictions and the courts would have forced Constitutional carry. I would have paid to have a front row seat for that.
     
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    The second amendment might be about hunting. That is hunting politicians who want to take away rights. Rap music has ruined way more kids then so called assault rifles. Just looking at the back stabbing and cut throat style in use with the 22 ammo situation I believe most gun owners in unison with the antis will slowly chip away at gun rights as long as they think their gun is exempt.
     
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