http://www.sj-r.com/article/20140225/News/140229532#ixzz2vrDENfJ8
EDIT: Just second-sourcing Jeff's original post here.
EDIT: Just second-sourcing Jeff's original post here.
The Illinois State Rifle Association has endorsed a ban on "Assault Weapons" t
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larryh1108
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Hardiman sounds like someone to stand behind. Dem or Rep, makes no difference. It's their stand on gun rights and pro-2A roots. Also, he's from my home town so he can't be all that bad.
Personally my belief structure falls well outside Democrat / Republican or Liberal/Conservative. Depends on the issue.
I'll vote for the one who'll protect or push my particular issue the hardest.
larryh1108
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I am the same way. For that reason, I don't declare a party and cannot vote in the primarys. I think that needs to be fixed because a large part of the population is the same way. We need a better way to allow candidates so we can remove the party affiliations and allow a process that doesn't have specific agendas.
So the question is; What do you do when your state association has become a defacto part of the corrupt system and is more interested in maintaining their personal position in the state capitol hen they are in advancing your agenda?
If I weren't so set on leaving Illinois before it collapses I would consider forming an organization that would really represent the gun owners.
If I weren't so set on leaving Illinois before it collapses I would consider forming an organization that would really represent the gun owners.
A lot of people are asking that question.
Looks like this move is going to cost the ISRA a LOT of members.
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=46756
Looks like this move is going to cost the ISRA a LOT of members.
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=46756
barnbwt
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"So the question is; What do you do when your state association has become a defacto part of the corrupt system and is more interested in maintaining their personal position in the state capitol hen they are in advancing your agenda?"
Replace them. My biggest peeve is the special interest group that gets too big for its britches, goes off message, and starts to think it's a political party. It's doomed all sorts of promising organizations to pitiable mediocrity (NAACP, Heritage Fdn, practically every presidential campaign, most senate/house campaigns, ACORN, Tea Party, and that's just the last five years, or so). Political parties are different from interest groups in that they are the compromise, and are thus inherently self-conflicted and incapable of convincing/effective advocacy.
The NRA has actually been pretty good about this, especially compared to other gun groups, about staying on message and not getting distracted by irrelevant social/fiscal/political matters (most of the time). Case in point was them shutting up after Newtown for the most part, but maintaining a slow build of support throughout the immediate aftermath and ensuing gun grab attempt; an organization of glory-hogging hams (like MAIG
) would have exhausted its resources long before the legislative putsch (like MAIG ). I won't say the NRA is a non-partisan organization, but I will say that that is as much their fault as the parties', which is about all we can hope for.
TCB
Replace them. My biggest peeve is the special interest group that gets too big for its britches, goes off message, and starts to think it's a political party. It's doomed all sorts of promising organizations to pitiable mediocrity (NAACP, Heritage Fdn, practically every presidential campaign, most senate/house campaigns, ACORN, Tea Party, and that's just the last five years, or so). Political parties are different from interest groups in that they are the compromise, and are thus inherently self-conflicted and incapable of convincing/effective advocacy.
The NRA has actually been pretty good about this, especially compared to other gun groups, about staying on message and not getting distracted by irrelevant social/fiscal/political matters (most of the time). Case in point was them shutting up after Newtown for the most part, but maintaining a slow build of support throughout the immediate aftermath and ensuing gun grab attempt; an organization of glory-hogging hams (like MAIG
) would have exhausted its resources long before the legislative putsch (like MAIG ). I won't say the NRA is a non-partisan organization, but I will say that that is as much their fault as the parties', which is about all we can hope for.TCB
Red Wind
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larry1108 said:
Hmmm.have to think about that last part. Just kidding,Larry!
I wish your native State of Illinois all the best. And your newly adopted State of Connecticut also.
larryh1108
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Thanks Red Wing.
I spent 56 years in IL.
It can be a really great state if it could get real government there and work for the people. Downstaters are warm and friendly and even the northern part is full of decent people who just want to live and let live.
Now, it's had corrupt government since the Capone era. I can't believe that it's still corrupt well into the 21st century. Blago's arrogance is a perfect example. Obama cut his teeth there too and we all know his type of politics. Chicago is a great city with a bunch of crooked pocket liners running it.... not for the people but for their own well being.
For those reasons and it's stupid guns laws I chose to leave. Seeing you guys get the right to carry is something I never thought I'd see in my lifetime. I am so happy for the citizens of IL. Now, if you can find a way to secede Chicago from the rest of that great state you'd have a winner there. Getting Rahm in there, with Obamas help, sealed it's fate for another generation. Too bad, it's really a decent city.
I spent 56 years in IL.
It can be a really great state if it could get real government there and work for the people. Downstaters are warm and friendly and even the northern part is full of decent people who just want to live and let live.
Now, it's had corrupt government since the Capone era. I can't believe that it's still corrupt well into the 21st century. Blago's arrogance is a perfect example. Obama cut his teeth there too and we all know his type of politics. Chicago is a great city with a bunch of crooked pocket liners running it.... not for the people but for their own well being.
For those reasons and it's stupid guns laws I chose to leave. Seeing you guys get the right to carry is something I never thought I'd see in my lifetime. I am so happy for the citizens of IL. Now, if you can find a way to secede Chicago from the rest of that great state you'd have a winner there. Getting Rahm in there, with Obamas help, sealed it's fate for another generation. Too bad, it's really a decent city.
Neo-Luddite
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Just sent a note to ISRA regarding the Dillard enodorsement~hope I didn't come off too lathered up. The more I reflect on this the more angry I become.
Kingcreek
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Amen, brother White.
I have contacted the ISRA with my gripes but their responses indicate they think they're doing a great job. I disagree.
I've heard DIllard's radio ads over and over claiming he is strong 2A supporter and the "original" sponsor of concealed carry legislation.
And for anybody interested, Tio Hardiman is a community organizer and a Democrat, and that is enough to keep me from voting for him
I have contacted the ISRA with my gripes but their responses indicate they think they're doing a great job. I disagree.
I've heard DIllard's radio ads over and over claiming he is strong 2A supporter and the "original" sponsor of concealed carry legislation.
And for anybody interested, Tio Hardiman is a community organizer and a Democrat, and that is enough to keep me from voting for him
I agree with barnbwt, replace them. Some "pro-gun" organizations are really just fudds pretending to toe the line. A good example of a tru pro-gun organization would be VCDL: http://vcdl.org/
As an outside observer, I feel for you guys in IL. You have an uphill battle what with the corruption and overwhelming opposition out of Chicago. It makes it all but impossible for you to get anywhere, when there is no concensus within the gun rights movement on what to do and who to support. If your state NRA affiliate is endorsing a candidate who voted for magazine restrictions and will possibly support an AWB, you're doubly screwed.
With this endorsement the ISRA just told every politician in Illinois that they won't stand in the way of an AWB or a magazine ban. 
The more I think about this and the implications of it, the angrier I get.
The more I think about this and the implications of it, the angrier I get.
If your state NRA affiliate is endorsing a candidate who voted for magazine restrictions and will possibly support an AWB, you're doubly screwed.
I'd be really curious to hear if the NRA's has an opinion on this.
An AWB is the true test of understanding the 2nd Amend.
Self-defense of the home or by carry can probably be accomplished most of the time with the 10 round gun. I don't really feel helpless with my 9 shot 1911 and a couple of extra mags. However, I strongly opposed such bans as the data do not support their utility for anything and they are a needless limitation of rights.
However, the AWB strikes at the defense against tyranny argument for the 2nd Amend. Arguing for such indicates you do not think this is a viable option or a reason for firearms.
Co-opting a group into your other crap is always a risk. Gun organizations need to stay out of other issues.
Self-defense of the home or by carry can probably be accomplished most of the time with the 10 round gun. I don't really feel helpless with my 9 shot 1911 and a couple of extra mags. However, I strongly opposed such bans as the data do not support their utility for anything and they are a needless limitation of rights.
However, the AWB strikes at the defense against tyranny argument for the 2nd Amend. Arguing for such indicates you do not think this is a viable option or a reason for firearms.
Co-opting a group into your other crap is always a risk. Gun organizations need to stay out of other issues.
PJSprog
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Illinois estimated population for 2013 = 12.9 million
Chicago estimated population for 2013 = 2.7 million
Cook County estimated population for 2013 = 5.2 million
(source: census.gov)
Sorry, but your theory doesn't hold water.
I've lived the entirety of my 47 years in Southern Illinois. Yeah, it's frustrating and seems like Chicagoland runs the whole state. But, the fact is, they only do so because we continue to let them. The majority of our state's people do not live in that city or county. If we continue to elect idiots from that area, how is that the fault of anyone but the voters as a whole? We are the ones responsible to cast those votes, and we should be equally responsible for educating ourselves before walking into the polling places. If we're being mislead by the ISRA - and it appears we are - then we are also responsible for correcting that situation as well. It's easy to blame the Chicago voters or the ISRA, or whomever else, but in the end that's not their hand in our polling booth (or checkbook). It's ours.
stonecutter2
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You're only considering the City of Chicago proper. The Chicago metropolitan area including Cook, Dupage, Kane, Lake, McHenry and Will easily represent almost 2/3 of the state's population, and all of those areas have gradually become Democratic leaning.
That doesn't consider how many people are voting in those areas, though. Just how many live there.
Look at Quinn's 2010 gubernatorial results. He carried Chicago and a couple counties in the SW. That's it. Yet he still won by like 30,000 votes...pretty close, but not enough for Brady.
JTHunter
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Dillard isn't the only "republican" to dislike. 
In the senate race, one candidate's wife can't even vote for him as she is a registered voter in Florida!!
The local paper ran an oped piece from the Trib yesterday about how Oberweis' wife was registered in Florida where they own a "McMansion". The Trib piece was also commenting on how Oberweis was basking in the Florida sunshine when the rest of us were freezing our butts off. At the same time, Truax was visiting vets in a hospital.
Don't take ANY candidate at "face value" or based on their statements. Look into their records.
Otherwise we could end up with ones like "Brucie".
In the senate race, one candidate's wife can't even vote for him as she is a registered voter in Florida!!
The local paper ran an oped piece from the Trib yesterday about how Oberweis' wife was registered in Florida where they own a "McMansion". The Trib piece was also commenting on how Oberweis was basking in the Florida sunshine when the rest of us were freezing our butts off. At the same time, Truax was visiting vets in a hospital.
Don't take ANY candidate at "face value" or based on their statements. Look into their records.
Otherwise we could end up with ones like "Brucie".
Nothing like a last minute lie to try to save face.
Looks like Hardiman is the only one who simply AGREES with us, without needing an outside mouthpiece to tell him HIS politics?
What you have to do is once again simply accept that there is no honor in politics, and that Dillard or any other person stating to be an (R), may not be so. And vice versa...
Screw the flowery press release: if you want a guarantee, hammer on Dillard until he states he is against: against AWB, magazine restrictions, micro-stamping, import/export limitations on long guns, anti UN agenda 21, and anti-TPP. That about covers a HUGE blanket of gun control measures on the horizon, poised against us all. If he balks, the best informed decision is Hardiman.
What you have to do is once again simply accept that there is no honor in politics, and that Dillard or any other person stating to be an (R), may not be so. And vice versa...
Screw the flowery press release: if you want a guarantee, hammer on Dillard until he states he is against: against AWB, magazine restrictions, micro-stamping, import/export limitations on long guns, anti UN agenda 21, and anti-TPP. That about covers a HUGE blanket of gun control measures on the horizon, poised against us all. If he balks, the best informed decision is Hardiman.
powder,
The election was last Tuesday. Rauner won. Dillard didn't even thank the ISRA in his concession speech.
Looks like the organization shot itself in the foot for nothing. Not even a thank you.
The election was last Tuesday. Rauner won. Dillard didn't even thank the ISRA in his concession speech.
Looks like the organization shot itself in the foot for nothing. Not even a thank you.
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