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The latest "study" from Cook and Ludwig

Discussion in 'Legal' started by cuchulainn, Aug 3, 2005.

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  1. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Member

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    http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2005/08/cookrelease.html

     
  2. Graystar

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    The UCR says there were 14,054 murders. I wonder where that number came from....
     
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    The difference in the CDC and UCR data is that the UCR relies on reports from law enforcment jurisdictions and these are not always filed by the deadline. So when the FBI reports the UCR numbers they report two numbers - the number of reports actually filed and their estimate of what the jurisdictions that didn't report had homicide-wise. The 14k number is the actual report number from the UCR.

    CDC relies on deaths reported and is generally more accurate, although it doesn't report types of crimes causing injury as well. It also counts all homicides by law enforcement as "legal intervention" whether they are later determined to be justified or not and counts all homicides by citizens as 'homicide" even if it is later ruled justifiable.
     
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    Thanks, Bartholomew. That's key info I didn't know.
     
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    17K homicide victims.... how many people do doctors kill every year?
     
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    So...if they are arguing for the inneffectiveness of the felon firearms disability, aren't they really arguing that the prohibition should be removed?

    Oh, wait.

    That'd make sense, and not be in alignment with their dogma.
     
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    I already know the answer, so this question is rhetorical: *** is the Journal of the AMA doing publishing studies on Criminology? They should only being doing that once the International Wound Ballistics Association starts publishing articles on communicable diseases. :rolleyes:
     
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    No, they mean that all misc. convictions should be a firearms disability as well. Just for good measure, let's make all potential criminal unable to own firearms. That ought to do it. :rolleyes:
     
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    Here's where the first flaw in their study.....

     
  11. Art Eatman

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    Homicide refers to one person killing another, without regard to any justification or a lack of it. Whether murder or self defense, they're both homicides.

    Art
     
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    I love how their sample size consists of the state of IL, which arguably has the most nearly totalitarian gun laws and then proceeds to talk about US-wide trends in homicide.

    Admittedly, Chicago has an enormous share of the nationwide murder rate, but it is a tad misleading.
     
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    JAMA has a clear antigun preference in studies. However, it is prestigious so that would be attractive to them. I would think that Criminology would be a better journal. It does seem a touch far afield for JAMA.
     
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    read my sig :scrutiny:


    the goal of the left is to achieve the following formula; citizen=criminal
     
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    The only way to acheive the sort of society they want is by causing all citizens to be moved into what would normally be considered the category of "fugitive" or "convicted felon" where your only hope for continued freedom is to not draw the attention of the government and to not cause trouble.

    In many ways and in many places in this country, they have already succeeded.
     
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    Since I am a physician I can assure you I gave up reading the JAMA many years ago. (all medical students are automatically enrolled in the AMA-now isn't that special) Just as I am very skeptical of any feel good sociological, psychological type finding. Give me hard science but not this stupidity. The problem is some maybe most believe this stuff. I still have 2 partners who site Kellerman as to why they oppose handgun ownership. Coarse they know they can KMA. They also believe if someone smokes a cig withing 1000 feet of someone else they are hurting someones health. But like I have said one of these fine liberals is KNOWN to smoke Cigs when he drinks his whiskey. And that is just one of his vices. :evil:
     
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    More leftist extremism masquerading as medical "science." I wouldn't believe a word of it.
     
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