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The lefts approach to getting attention

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Hokie_PhD, Mar 4, 2018.

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  1. Hokie_PhD

    Hokie_PhD Member

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    I can’t stand CNN but I skim their weight to see what the left is doing and saying

    The fifth paragraph of the following struck me

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/04/politics/daca-advocacy-push-aclu-trump-immigration/index.html

    It seems given the events and the attacks on us and the NRA we need to employ the same tactic. Get out, make our voices heard and be clear what we want.

    I think saying we won’t accept an AWB, mag limits would be a good start. I’d even say we push for national conceal carry. And the end of gun free zones. Let’s push instead of being pushed. But let’s have a clear concise message.
     
  2. bds

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    I agree but immediately, I think pushing for voluntary concealed carry in all states in all schools is more constructive objective as we can FOCUS HARD on the self-protection "rights" issue for teachers wanting to protect themselves and children.

    Even CNN pointed out law enforcement and current "system" failed for Florida shooting (Yes, can't believe my ears but even CNN said it) and mentioned arming teachers as part of the solution.

    We need to pick and choose our battles and need to strike hard while iron is hot.
     
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    I feel like, overall, gun owners are either quiet or defensive. Our side doesn't do much to promote the sport, other than participation. When the anti-gunners start, our words are REactionary. I am at least as guilty as anyone, and I agree that we need to make our voices heard as a reasonable, responsible, active group, and be more involved. I always seem to hear, "take an anti shooting", but I don't think about it until they are already in the deaf zone.

    There are so many anti groups out there, started by individuals. There are pages and pages of Facebook and Twitter (I use neither) of anti propoganda. I have tried to explain the other side on there, to no avail. I have no solution, just observation, that we carry some of the responsibility for the antis' ignorance, due to not being proactive BEFORE we are threatened, when there is more of a chance that the fence-sitters might listen.
     
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    I think we also need to change the views of the youth big time soon all these high school kids will be voting and that will hurt our side bad im afraid, I really feel the schools are molding our youth to change our future with not respect to our past , think about it in the next 5 to 10 years this massive wave of youth that is brainwashed by liberal schools will be in a position to make change by out voting us, as our generations die off and are replace by their generations I think this will change our Country and everything we know and respect / Honor
    If we want our Grand kids to have the same rights we have then I think we need to change the mindset of the upcoming generations , one news article I watched showed a group of high school kids preaching
    anti-gun stuff and one thing the teenager said was true she said in a few years we will be voting and can change the future,
    See their side has a plan and we only do damage control , I think our side needs a pro active plan too,
    molding the youth in schools is a powerful tool for their side IMHO
     
  5. Hokie_PhD

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    I was run out of teaching colleg because after my class was shot up, I made the crime of suggesting we discuss real safety. We should look at having the laws changed and doing away with the gun free zones.
    My thanks was a rumor that I was carrying illegally then my contract not being renewed.
     
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    We are only hearing from the part of Generation Z (Teens to early 20s) that media wants to put in front of camera.

    My experience with most Generation Z is that they have tremendous research tools available (Google, Youtube, etc.) and they are interested in facts, not the mantra of their older siblings/media which did not work. In fact, they are likely to obtain their news from non-traditional means which is not the mainstream media.

    In the aftermath of Florida shooting, many GenZ will try to reconcile what they have been told ("Trained police officers" will protect you) over the years with the FACT that trained officers FAILED to protect the children. Put yourself in their shoes right now and ask yourself what options are there to immediately protect the lives of children from an active shooter. The obvious answer will be in conflict with what the "school system/media/antis" have been saying. They are well informed generation and they will quickly discern the facts and truth.

    Many GenZers I work with also quickly recognized that calling 911 WILL NOT help them when their lives are at immediate danger and ultimately responsibility of protecting their lives falls on them. Many are very interested in shooting and focused on close range defensive shooting drills which I gladly provide whenever requests are made.

    It will be interesting to see how Generation Z vote in upcoming elections.
     
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    That's why I was a 4-H Shooting Sports Leader for 10 years, and still help out with it today.
     
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    I, do not understand why pro gun people do not post more of what happened in Europe when guns were taken away from the people? Pictures are worth many words.
     
  9. barnbwt

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    Promotional tactics are for astro-turf groups run by ad agencies and funded by billionaires.

    We need only one thing; our representatives to pass pro-gun legislation when they've got the majority. That's it. That's all. It we aren't gaining ground, we're losing it.

    I think it's very important that gun-owners take things one step beyond 'single issue' voting; demand your reps vote for pro-gun bills by the next election, or they get primaried. The leaders in charge of bringing the votes of these bills, bring them up, or they get primaried.

    The fact is, a 'gun-friendly' legislator that fails to insist upon a chance to vote for pro-gun issues, and especially one that fails to vote for them given the opportunity, for any reason, is not 'friendly.' They are controlled opposition, intended to string us along with the possibility of easy victory, while stalling for time & donations until their compatriots solidify power behind the scenes. Nothing else explains the inability of Florida Republicans, or National Republicans for that matter, to have accomplished so little after having been given so much by gunowners. A little over a year into full control of all three branches of government & an overwhelming portion of the statehouses, we've got a 'red' state going all-in on gun control, and a president, national party, and 'advocacy' group clamoring for new restrictions...but not restrictions so bad as the opposition, so they tell us it's okay.
     
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    I wonder about that. We know that; politically active tycoons love couching new political projects like Moms Demand Action in the guise of grass-roots upstarts. We know that; for any legitimate local upstart that does manage to attract any kind of following, a lucrative national speaking/political career funded by those same tycoons awaits. We know that; even ineffective, small, worthless agitation efforts receive 'block grant' funding (so to speak) from mega charities, funded by the same tycoons, to function as de facto local media outlets for their propaganda efforts. We know that; mass media, owned by the same tycoons or funded by them, will dutifully report on and exaggerate if necessary the efforts of these small, ineffective agitation efforts while carefully ignoring the opposition from pro-gun efforts, in an attempt to magnify the importance of the astroturf efforts.

    One step further; we are only hearing from trained political junior-operatives who have been at this televised political agitation game for years. Given the inexplicable volume of 'random' connections between seemingly everyone at Parkland and CNN, and everyone up and down the school & police chain of command & the DNC, it's fairly obvious the school was something of a 'farm team' for talking heads & political agitators.
     
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  11. GEM

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    Conspiracy theories are fun. However, going off the deep end to suggest some plan for this horror to have happened isn't useful.

    Closed.
     
  12. hso

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    Everyone, review the rules for Activism.

    We are not supposed to get off of our 2A focus here in Activism.

    We're supposed to post plans of action as clear "product" for others to use. Where we have most of an idea, but need to develop specifics we should be posting in Activism Discussion.

    Please provide the relevant material instead of just a link. Many members don't want to click through on a link for a whole variety of reasons so pasting the important material that you want to use in the post is very helpful to them and denies traffic to a site they may not want to bolster. See below for an example.

    The idea of emulating this approach is good, but without the "how we do this" it belongs in Activism Discussion or even General.
     
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