Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by T1gger, Jan 30, 2012.
Was he surprised that guns aren't the cause of crime or that he could be wrong?
Two more leftist anti Second Amendment Supreme Court Justices, like Kegal and the "Wise Latina," and I believe we'll see this whole question of the Second Amendment visited again. I've read several mentions, on various websites, about some statements made by the First Lady. The present administration is licking its chops in anticipation of more Justice appointments.
"Your acquantiance is naive and wrong on so many levels it's hard to begin...
But someone that naive isn't going to be convinced with argument or facts - offer to take him to the range for an afternoon of shooting. Most people come around after that if they are at all open minded."
This is my suggestion as well.
You need to educate your friend on the whole purpose of the Second Amendment to begin with. One way in which thinking it is the Governments duty to defend you is dead wrong is, the whole purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from a Tyrannical Government. He may as well say only criminals should own guns,and we don't need them as it is the criminals duty to defend us, completly stupid right?
Ask your friend who is going to protect him from the Government when only they have the guns. I'll tell you what, I am writing a paper on the Second Amendment for College, when I am done with it, I will post the whole thing here in MLA format, complete with all the links I researched.
Another thing you could do is this. Now this is a bit extreme but you can prove your point real quick. If he is your friend he shouldn't get too mad at you. Using a toy gun pull it on him real fast and tell him he is gonna die now. He will most likely be scared at first untill he figures out it is not a real gun. If he trys to run before he figures it out yell "STOP OR I'LL SHOOT". Now tell him real quick it isn't real if he hasn't already figued it out, and ask him if he thinks the Government or the local Law Enforcment would of arrived in time to save him. Put him in the situation we all know can happen, and he will have to see the light. If that doesn't wake him up maybe you should just look for smarter friends.
go to DC or Chicago.. no handguns allowed for many years and some of the worst crime rates ever. Florida crime rates went DOWN after they got a ccw
"Another thing you could do is this. Now this is a bit extreme but you can prove your point real quick. If he is your friend he shouldn't get too mad at you. Using a toy gun pull it on real fast and him and tell him he is gonna die now. He will most likely be scared at first till he figures out it is not a real gun. If he rtys to run before he figures it out yell "STOP OR I'LL SHOOT". Now tell him real quick it isn't real if he hasn't already figued it out, and ask him if he thinks the Government or the local Law Enforcment would of arrived in time to save him"
thats not extreme...its borderline psychotic and maybe even criminal and at the very least the most screwed up advice i have ever seen anyone give on THR...dude thats just weird
My polititons sold my rights &the rights of every British mainland citizen,to try and win votes.This included the efforts of John Major and Tony Blairs governments,respectively.Blairsky did consider returning .22 handguns back 10 years ago,but the anti-gun Scots,from the GCN, moaned about it & accused Blair & his party of 'creating a wedge to push out anti-handgun legislation,which would lead to the complete revocation of the 1997 handgun ban.' If it wasn't for them & for the fact that New Labour si so scared of upsetting their lefty voters in Dunblane,we'd of gotten handguns back.Its a bloody joke & I wish Blair had more of a backbone in him to tell those idiots,to 'naff off'.The really wet- liberals in Labour, tried to convert the old pistol range in The House Of Commons,into a creche for female polititins children,but they failed to get their own way.That range was built on Winston Churchills orders & he used it to practise,firing his pistols,that he privately-owned.
Only those folks in Northern Ireland and from the small Islands off of the British mainland,still retain their pistol rights.Less liberals in them.
This is the link & I believe that the pisto range is still there,but is used for lever-action rifle shooting.
"thats not extreme...its borderline psychotic and maybe even criminal and at the very least the most screwed up advice i have ever seen anyone give on THR...dude thats just weird "
Well that is your oppinion. In the Army they fired rounds, live rounds over my head while I low crawled under barbed wire, and they called it training.
They also forced us to breath CS in a small room just so they could prove to us the gas mask worked, how is this any differant, other than my method being 100 percent safe. Some people need things done a certain way before it registers with them.
well i spent the better part of 27 years as a naval aviator begining in the viet nam era and they fired a lot of stuff at me and it wasnt from friendlies either ..... this isnt like the military.....that idea is dangerous and foolish and yes it is my opinion.
The sudden onset of illogical thinking is often symptomatic of a brain tumor or Alzheimers. This "friend" should seek medical attention.
My point was there is no danger from a toy gun, there was in the military training. I remember in Russia during the Cold War, they actually fired rounds at their troops while training and some of them even died from this. What I suggested was 100 percent safe at least. I've never tried it but the thought has crossed my mind before. I would only do it as a last resort. As it is though, I usually just decide to get new friends that don't like to be subjects. Luckily I'm in Tennessee, so most people have guns here anyway.
On the other hand if one had a friend who was anti gun, he could just give up on him. Then wait, maybe one day somebody will pull a real gun on him, he won't be armed when they kill him. Now that is an extreme way for somebody to get the message. I bet if you ask this lady from Texas she will agree.
That is possibly some of the worst advice I've ever seen on this website.
Bad advice maybe, but I bet it will work, at least I offer a possible fix. When I was in Germany and a PFC I once was helping an NCO with his German, he had not been in country long. We were out in town and he wanted to say something in German to some locals. So I told him to walk up to them and say a CERTAIN phrase to them in German. He did and when he got back he asked me what he said. lmao, I told him and it was not what he expected as it was not real nice. He said: I just said what? This guy just so happens to also be from Tennessee and I still see him every now and then, he lives withing 30 miles of me. Now that happened in 1990, and about 2 years ago he brought that incident back up. He said I still can't believe you had me say that. I laughed and asked him if he remembered what he said. His reply was to say the whole sentance perfectly without missing a beat. I just rolled laughing at this. He said why is that so funny. My reply was well you got to admit, I am a good teacher. You remember it perfectly don't you?, about 20 years latter. He thought for a second and then he laughed too. Was it extreme, sure it was, but he never forgot it, speed learning at it's best. Go ahead and attack me though for trying to help, I got thick skin.
Or perhaps someone can tell me what is so dangerous and bad about this tactic.
Well, keep this in mind too. What works in those countries won't exactly work there. We have a much different political system and our whole democracy hinges on the 2A, and yeah, handguns are a part of that.
The biggest problem is everyone has an idea of something to "ban" that doesn't affect them but is a freedom of choice issue for someone else. Anti's are big into this, it is the foundation of their existence. Everyone does it to some degree I think, some worse than others. But you know, we have enough bans, how about advocating the removal of some of the ones we have already?
Giving up any 2A rights would be stupid and we shouldn't be doing anything at this point to give up anymore rights not matter what or who they are for. Even if you don't see eye to eye, you should advocate rights for right's sake.
does the word "assault" ring a bell?
My litmus test is to use a car analogy.
We can all agree that driving drunk is bad and can potentially kill someone. (Sometimes the answer is yes) Well should we use the same approach that you are proposing for gun control, and ban all cars because some people misuse them.
If I still get a negative response, I just change the subject. That person has too much emotion wrapped up in their position to see a different logic, and no amount of discussing it will change their view.
hold a "fake" gun to someones head and tell them your gonna kill them........your going to jail...or should...what a incredibly flawed logic...or lack thereof
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