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The Lynyrd Skynyrd song... is it anti-gun?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by peacefuljeffrey, Mar 26, 2005.

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  1. peacefuljeffrey

    peacefuljeffrey member

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    The song "Mr. Saturday Night Special"...
    it has lyrics like, "Mr. Saturday Night Special, got a barrel that's blue and gold; ain't good for nuthin', but put a man six feet in a hole..."

    and there's something about "Handguns are made for killin'; they ain't no good for nuthin' else."

    Additionally, apart from all the unintelligible stuff about some dudes in a bar fight (or something) :uhoh: there is something about dumping all of the guns in the sea before some dude shoots you or me...

    Anyone know anything more in-depth about Skynyrd's position on guns?

    It seems to me that this is like an anthem for b.s. diatribes against handguns. Makes it seem like they hold the position of HCI that there's never possibly been, say, a GOOD use of a handgun, maybe to save a life or something. They're all negative and evil, those horrible handguns... :rolleyes:

    I'd like to not have to believe that Skynyrd (an entertaining band, otherwise) actually meant that song in earnest as anti-gun.

    Do you know anything about it? Have they done interviews and explained the song's meaning to them?

    -Jeffrey
     
  2. guy sajer

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    I always took it as an anti-gun message myself .

    As they are from the South , I thought it strange as I always equated Southerners with hunting and such . Gun people . Like , Hank Jr .
     
  3. Husker1911

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    Decidedly anti-gun. Were they trying to ingratiatiate themselves with the liberal elites? Don't really know. Their tune "Gimme three steps" finds the singer "stareing straight down a .44". "Pointing that gun at me."
     
  4. peacefuljeffrey

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    That one song (the one I mentioned) has made me make a point of disliking them.

    Like you said, I gave them credit for being "gun people" because they're southern. I guess we already knew that that's not a perfectly accurate measure. There are plenty of leftist losers infesting the South. I just didn't think that they'd be among the rank ranks.

    I was just hoping that there might be reason to salvage any liking I may have had for Skynyrd. I guess there likely is not. I won't abide them writing such a damn ignorant song.

    -Jeffrey
     
  5. El Tejon

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    That song and Three Steps were written based on personal experiences of members of the band. They were known for a "rough" lifestyle.

    LS band members often played with bandaged hands and black eyes.
     
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    Maybe Ronnie was just mad at his brother Donnie (of '.38 special') and "saturday night special" was a sibling dig?
     
  7. Fed168

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    Gimmie back my bullets.
     
  8. Barbara

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    Sarah Brady's hatred of guns also comes from personal experience.
     
  9. jsalcedo

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    It is a cool sounding song but once I heard the lyrics that was it for me.

    Sad to say but most Rock n Roll types are about as ignorant and leftist as
    their Hollywood brethren with notable exceptions.

    I'm a fan of classic rock and oldies but there are many songs out there
    with socialist and liberal themes.

    It's hard to enjoy good mustic while being bombarded wih crap lyrics.
     
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    If having a bad Southern Fried Rock moment, listen to Charlie Daniels Band, can't remember the song, done during Clinton, where he sings, "gonna keep my guns and have my fun"...
    LS has at least three anti-gun songs, and enough drug and alcohol problems, not to mention violent tendancies, that I kinda discount thier position on anything. Alice Cooper once asked why we listen to rock and rollers on anything, as they party all night and sleep all day, and anyone who takes political advice from bands in an idiot....
     
  11. SHOOT1SAM

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    Yeah, as a Rock-N-Roll fan, it pains me that some great groups/singers are so leftist. Used to love John "Cougar" Mellencamp until the last election when he was bustin' his a$$ for John Kerry (Hey!! Did y'all know Kerry was in Vietnam??) and wrote a song about G.W. with these lyrics: "selected, not elected."

    However, the GREATEST, Ted Nugent, will tell you that a lot of Rock-N-Rollers do like guns & shooting, for example, the guys in Aerosmith, generally known as a leftist-type group. They just won't go on record.

    And as someone who doesn't like very much C&W music, it further pains me that so many of those artists are on the right side. I do like Charlie Daniels, Hank, Jr. and Toby Keith, as well as Barbara and Louise Mandrell and others for their political/gun points-of-view.

    Sam
     
  12. jefnvk

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    I try not to let a group's political opinions influence my listening to them. Very few groups I actually buy music from anyways. In fact, in the last two years, I have bought exactly three CD's.

    Of my three favorites, two are British and the other is Canadian, so I honestly doubt that their politics match mine.
     
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    Please understand that these were guys in their early to mid-20's. They really weren't long on life experience, except for playing the honky tonk southern bar circuit right out of high school until MCA signed them and made them ridiculously rich.

    All they really knew was their first-hand experience: they had a blast busting people up in bar fights, were apparently very good at it, but it always ended the fun once the Sat. Night Special came out and killed someone. (duh) :scrutiny:

    I don't really care what their views were, but until the plane crash, they (along with Marshall Tucker and Charlie Daniels) pretty much defined the Southern Rock genre.
     
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    I'm a big proponent of "Shut up and sing!"

    The notion of a southern honky-tonk full of armed, drunk rednecks is not a pleasant thought and certainly anathema to what most of us here believe. But sometimes a song is just a song. :scrutiny:
     
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    Despite VanZant's reputation for hell raising and some persistently mistaken notions regarding his politics, "Saturday Night Special" took on a subject sacred to good ole boys from coast to coast - gun control. In the lyrics below there are a couple of verses about senseless killings, followed by the suggestion that all handguns be thrown into the sea.

    Definitely an Anti's Anthem...

    Saturday Night Special
    (Lyrics by Ed King & Ronnie VanZant)

    Two feets they come a creepin’
    Like a black cat do
    And two bodies are lyin’ naked
    Creeper think he got nothin’ to lose
    So he creeps into this house, yeah
    And unlocks the door
    And while a man reaching for his trousers
    Shoots him full of .38 holes

    (chorus)
    Its a Saturday Night Special
    Got a barrel that’s blue and cold
    Ain’t no good for nothin’
    But put a man six feet in a hole

    Big Jim’s been drinkin’ whiskey
    And playing poker on a losin’ night
    Pretty soon, big Jim starts a thinkin’
    Somebody been cheatin’ and lyin’
    So big Jim commences to fightin’
    I wouldn’t tell you no lie
    And big Jim done grab his pistol
    Shot his friend right between the eyes

    (chorus)

    Handguns are made for killin’
    Ain’t no good for nothin’ else
    And if you like your whiskey
    You might even shoot yourself
    So why don’t we dump ’em people
    To the bottom of the sea
    Before some fool come around here
    Wanna shoot either you or me
     
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    Steve Tyler has a custom built Chandler rifle in .308.

    Further proof.
     
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    Its blue and COLD. Cold not gold. :neener:
     
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    "Please understand that these were guys in their early to mid-20's."

    For some reason I was just thinking about a time when I was about 18-19 years old and a buddy of mine was telling me about a book he read about Jim Morrison. I remember him making Morrison out to be some kind of genius or something.

    Now, as a middle aged person I realize how ridiculous it was. Here was a guy that was young, with very little life experience. He was stoned most of the time. His whole life was totally out of the mainstream. And my buddy was listening to what he said. :uhoh:
    This of course is in addition to the fact that because someone is an actor or musician doesn't mean they know anything about anything else.
     
  19. 280PLUS

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    He's talking about "Saturday Night Specials"

    Not all guns.

    Is a Saturday Night Special really much good for anything else but putting people 6 feet in a hole?

    For those of you who never had a chance to see Ronnie strut his stuff on stage, too darn bad. Nobody had stage presence the way that guy did.

    It still reigns as one of the best concerts I ever saw. Two months later, he was dead.

    "Back at the hotel, Lord, we got such a mess.
    It seems that one of the crew had a go with one of the guests, oh yes.
    Now the police say we can't drink in the bar, what a shame.
    Come upstairs girl and have a drink of champagne."

    :evil:

    P.S. Jim Morrison was an outstanding poet not a songwriter. Noone really understands that. They took his poetry and put it to music.
     
  20. Outbacker

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    Read the last verse again.

    Your point doesn't hold water at all. It's clear Ronnie is talking about handguns here.
     
  21. Phyphor

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    From the Essential Skynard album booklet

    ...it does say that Van Zant was somewhat anti, but due to the fact that he'd been shot.

    Ironic, given the song 'gimme back my bullets' got the band pelted with .38s at many of their concerts.. :evil:
     
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    But the title of the song is "Saturday Night Special" which is how I take his meaning. Though I will agree he does lump them in as handguns at the end.

    "Handguns are made for killing, they ain't no good for nothing else."

    Was the concept of the handgun's invention developed for anything but killing? I'm talking about the first handgun, was it intended for shootin' bottles and cans?

    That's how I define that line. Granted you or I can find lots of nonlethal ways to have fun with our firearms but the true or underlying intent of them is to kill and in some cases it's homo sapiens who are the killees. Yes I know there are plenty who hunt with handguns, I want to try it myself. But I'd be willing to bet there are more people killed by handguns than furry forest creatures on average.

    Anyhoooo, without getting into a long deal over a tune. Is it anti gun? Yes. Do I disagree with it 100%? No. Do I disagree with it at all? Maybe with the second part of the "handguns" line. Have I dumped my guns "to the bottom of the sea" over it? No. Do I hate Skynnyrd for recording the song? No, they have a right to their opinion too. I just wish I had the chance to take em all out to the range and make them see the light...

    They'd have to be sober though so they probably wouldn't have gone.

    :rolleyes:
     
  23. Justin

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    Many people own so-called "Saturday Night Specials" because they cannot afford a pricier defensive arm. Also realize that the term is derived from a racial slur.

    Personally, I don't like Skynyrd because of that godawful "smell that smell" song.

    Worst..."song"...EVER!
     
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    Bah...

    I use the muzzle of my Saturday Night Special as a vase for a perfect, boneless rose specimen.
     
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    Lynyrd skynyrd weren't big fans of guns.
    Too many people in the real world wanted to use them to end their professional career.
    A drunken, stoned pilot did the job instead.
     
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