The making of a select fire 10/22

That is very cool. I've seen fa 10-22s before, but not select fire. Very neat too, the parts look like they belong in there.

 

If only that were transferable...

 

Thanks for sharing that's neat. So with the bolt hold open gone, does it dry fire on the last shot after the mag is empty? Will that damage it over time?

 

Nicely done as usual. Thank you for giving us peeks at your projects.

 

Very cool. I'm all green with envy. A full auto .22 would be the most fun you could have in the back yard. Well almost.

 

Definitely, I always thought that a full auto .22 would be the most fun machinegun to own... You could blast away a brick in full auto glee, secure in the knowledge that you only really spent $25 for the day.

@MachIVshooter

I saw this video pop up on my YouTube account and was instantly super jealous. Very cool project, and as usual sharply planned and expertly executed!

 

A dealer near here had a transferrable 10-22 with John Norrell trigger pack, full auto and integral suppressor. When he got tired of hosing down the range, he sold it for a considerable profit.

 

A quick search shows transferable 10/22's running in the $20k range.

Neat project MachIV

 

Too Cool

 

Dang op that’s awesome

 

Sounds like those full-auto air guns, that you try in vain to shoot the star out of the target, at Cedar Point.

 

Dang it, I tried that game at our local summer faire every year for maybe 30 years, and got within the tiniest tip of one star point more often than not, but never quite did it. Expensive nonsense. And I know it's bottom level spray and pray, as the BBs just shoot out in all sorts of directions. But it'd be fun to frame a properly cleaned target, and give whatever prize to some sorrowful looking kid. Then last year they banished that booth. Guess it was too shooty for our political climate. There's still the infrared nonsense with all the little animals and the piano player... But only a matter of time before that gets chopped for political incorrectness as well.

Fantastic, well thought out work as ever OP, admirable stuff, and fun too. Maybe you could set up your own little star target range at home, invite guests to shoot all the red bits and win a prize!

 

In vain? I remember winning several prizes with that game back in the early 70s. I always remember them pouring the steel tube of shot into those guns after you gave them your quarter.

Wonder if a fellow could buy one of those guns today?

 

Thanks for posting. I like reading about
Select fire 10/22. Do you plan on testing the design and making changes, or leave alone and just use as is.



Greg

 

Very cool.


What is a class 2 SOT manufacturer and how does one get that status?

 

A class 2 SOT (otherwise known as a maker of fun things) is someone with an 07 FFL (manufacturer, non destructive devices) who also pays the 02 Special Occupational Tax. The SOT allows FFLs to pay a one-time NFA tax (once per year) to transfer as many NFA weapons as they want, as opposed to the $200 tax on each transfer like the rest of us.

For a 01 FFL, their corresponding SOT is a 03 (this is where people get the incorrect "class three weapon" thing). For a manufacturer you would get an 02 SOT. 01 SOT is for importers.

The cool thing about being an 07/02 is that not only can you build NFA weapons (including post-sample machine guns), but you don't have to ask permission. All you have to do is file a Form 2 (notice of manufacture, think a NFA form 1 but for businesses) within IIRC close of business the next day and you are good to go. No pre-approval required. Though to be fair, even 07/02s have to wait like 01/03s to transfer stuff they don't make.

To purchase (or more correctly, transfer) post sample machine guns that were not manufacturered by the 07/02, they still require a demo letter from a government agency (local police usually) - so it's not a license to go and collect/buy as many machine guns as you like (unless you have a good friend heading up a law enforcement agency who likes to play with MGs too). There are some exceptions for other SOTs going out of business and liquidating their MG inventory and things like that. Demo letters are not required for weapons manufacturered by the SOT themselves.

Unfortunately unless the machine gun is a transferable MG or a pre-sample (as opposed to a post sample), once the FFL/SOT gives up their license they have to divest (sell) all of their machine guns. That means whenever MachIVShooter decides not to renew his FFL/SOT, he has to sell that cool 10/22.

I feel like I got a little off track... anyway, in order to get an 07/02, you have to be a FFL and actually be in the business of selling weapons - same as with any other FFL. Once you pass that hurdle, I understand it's pretty easy to get the SOT, you just have to pay the tax.

Also note that with a manufacturer's FFL you *may* be subject to a few thousand extra in fees for ITAR. It is run by the state department not ATF, and there has been talk of it being eliminated for FFLs. I unfortunatey haven't had the chance to read the actual ruling, but what I've heard made reference to "manufacturers of sporting weapons" being exempt from ITAR. I'm not sure if applying for an 02 SOT (ie non-sporting weapons) means that the FFL will be back in the purview of ITAR. Maybe MachIVShooter can answer that one.

Short answer: start a business and pay a little extra in taxes and you too can make machine guns.