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the most accurate "out of the counter" rifle and its price?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by ShootAndHunt, Jan 27, 2004.

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  1. ShootAndHunt

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    I am considering to buy a new rifle and want this one is the most accurate rifle available "out of the counter", which means custom rifle excluded, and I don't want to burn a hole in my wallet for it if I don't have to:). Could you guys give me some advice?

    1. It seems I must go with a bolt action. But which caliber is better: .223, .308 or 30-06 or others?

    2. I heard that Remington 700 LTR or PSS is a good choice, which is better? or is there other choice? How accurate could they be, and how much do they cost?

    3. Are these rifles available from the gun store? (I didn't see the Rem 700 LTR or PSS in the Remington catolog, for example.)

    4. What are the most important features I should look at if I want a very accurate rifle? the bedding, trigger or barrel?
     
  2. cookhj

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    buy a savage. do a search on savage rifles and see what everyone's had to say about them.
     
  3. Preacherman

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    I agree that for a budget-priced rifle, the Savage is probably the most accurate factory-production rifle out there. I've had uniformly excellent results with them. However, if you want to go up-market a bit (not too much), try the Tikka range. They're made by Sako, and I consider them to be the best value-for-money rifle on the market today - and their accuracy is equal to the Savage, while their workmanship and quality is, IMHO, higher.
     
  4. Omaha-BeenGlockin

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    Basically----Sako for around $1000

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    Tikka for around $500

    Nothin else even comes close.
     
  5. JohnBT

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    If I was going to spend a grand on a Sako I'd probably go ahead and spend $1100 and get a Cooper Classic.

    A buddy bought a stainless/plastic Howa .223 a few years ago for $330 and it really does shoot extremely well at 100 yards. And I was shooting battle pack ammo of all things and getting little cloverleafs using a BSA (gasp!!!) scope. I haven't tried it at 200 yards yet.

    John
     
  6. Black Snowman

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    I'm extremely happy with my CZ 550 VL in .308 that I got for ~$650 out the door. Scope rings were another $50 but built strong enough for even their safari guns.
     
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    I would put my money on a Mannlicher for guaranteed out of the box accuracy and reliability.
     
  8. BlackJack

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    I just picked up a Remington 700 ADL Synthetic on sale from Sports Authority--$389 out the door. It's in .30-06, and although I have always assumed that .308 was the more accurate cartridge, I am quite impressed with the consistency and small groups this rifle produces. True, this version has a light sporter style barrel and a longer heavy barrel might give you better performance, but this has been an inexpensive but quality firearm for me and I'd recommend you take a look at the Rems.
     
  9. nico

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    I don't have any personal experience with any of the guns listed. But if I were you, I'd take a look at the Winchester Stealth II. The retail price is around that of the 700 and it seems to be meant for the same purpose (tactical/long range shooting).
     
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    The 700 is a good choice (hell, I just bought one:D ). .308 is generally considered the best all-around sniping caliber for mid-range work, with 300 Win Mag having a decent sized following.
     
  11. 308win

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    Remington 700BDL with 5R barrel. Around $800 plus tax. Pillar bedded, heavy barrel, factory trigger (not the best or worst - IMHO). 308WIN is only cal available in to best of my knowledge.
     
  12. Surely

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    I have done some research and for the price nothing beats Tikka. It has a great out of the box trigger and exceptional accuracy. Nothing else comes close until you got near the 1k price range.

    You dont give enough info to really suggest a calibre. A 223 is used for totally different things than a 308 normally. Are you shooting at varmints or medium sized game like deer or hogs? Is ammo cost an important factor, Are you going to load your own ammo?

    Here are a few of the calibers I like.

    .17 HMR is a great small animal cartridge, accuracy is excellent out to about 200 yards and you can take out animals as large as coyote if you are a decent shot. The ammo is reasonable priced and you dont have to bother reloading to be able to afford to shoot alot. Good affordable guns for this caliber are the savages and marlins.

    223 is a good varmint round and in some states you can use it for deer, though i wouldnt suggest it. If you want a gun that is in the .22 caliber range that you can hunt most deer with successfully I would get a 22-250. They give you alot more OOmph and still dont kick enough to hurt a baby. They are very accurate out to 300+ yard.

    243 winchester: This is a great all around game/varmint round, You can shoot anything up to and including whitetail with this cartridge. Its has a great trajectory and you can reload from 55 grains up to 107 grain bullets. It doesnt kick too much and is a good rifle to start deer hunting with.

    270 is a great deer/boar/elk (not long range) gun, here you are getting out of the varmint range, but you still arent into the serious large game guns.

    You want to shoot elk and moose and smaller bear? Try out a 300 winchester Mag. but if your new to the shooting business I strongly discourage you from buying anything that kicks more than a 243 or 25-06. You need to learn how to shoot a gun before you want to try guns with a painful recoil.

    O you want more pain? check out the 338 and 375 calibers. If you are new to shooting you will fined a new hobby really quick after shooting these guns.

    Seriously, get a gun that you enjoy shooting, not one that your afraid to pull the trigger.

    I am not an expert this is just my personal opinion and of course everyone has differing thoughts on this subject.
     
  13. Colt46

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    add my vote on Tikka

    a more bargain brand that opens quite a few eyes at the range would be the Howa 1500 or the Weatherby entry level model(forgot the name attached to it though). They are the same rifle and are quite capable of MOA out of the box.
     
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    Personally, I've always been a fan of the Rem triggers - just for eaze of dialing 'em in. Experienced w/a few - Rem's factorys win hands down & I'm anal about triggers. You can always buy after-markets, though.

    Glass-bedding/free-floating & the always dialing in an ammo combo makes a rifle shoot to what you want it to do.

    I'd bet that any production rifle can shoot 1/2"/100 yd groups with proper bullets/load combo, a decent trigger AND somebody behind the trigger that can.

    The latest won't ever make a good rifle.
     
  15. squibload

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    Best out-of the box shooter I've ever seen was a 700 Mountain Rifle in .25-06.

    I'd love to pick one up for myself. Always thought that a heavy bbl. would outshoot a pencil bbl, but this one opened my eyes.
     
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    IMHO the Savage FP-10 with accurizer trigger is probably the most accurate out of the box rifle one can buy. They run a bit under $600 here in OKC.

    Caliber wise it pretty much depends on what you want to do with your new rifle.

    For pure target shooting - long range (>600 yds) I'd have to say go with the .308. For target shooting <600 yds then 22-250 or .223.

    If you want a rifle good for hunting and target shooting then .308.

    If you're going after varmints but may want to knock off the occasional deer then .243. For varmint only (coyote and smaller) .223 will do the trick.

    I don't have any experience with the other calibers mentioned in this thread so I won't comment on them other than to say I hear lots of good things about the .270 and it is on my list of calibers to acquire - eventually.
     
  17. Smoke

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    What are you going to do with it? Is this your first rifle?

    As the questions you ask are good ones, but indicate someone not overly familier with rifles my suggestions are:

    1. Get a .223, they are cheap to shoot, great paper punchers and small game guns. They have little recoil and can be shot a lot.

    2. Tikka gets great reviews. I've never even seen one.....Savage builds a nice gun, Remington 700's and WInchester 70's are perenial favorites. Buy as nice a gun as you can afford and still ahve money for quality glass.

    3. Glass is as important if not more important than the rifle.

    4. Read 3 again!

    5. Don't concern yourself overly with the bedding, barrel or trigger until you have purchased a gun and shot it. And I mean shot it a whole bunch.
    If you have the gun dialed in but that trigger bothers you...then fix it.

    6. Go to as many gun stores as you can find nad handle the guns mentioned in my post and the others, when you pick one up and it "just feels right" or you have some other intangible connection with it...thats the rifle to get.

    Good luck and happy shooting

    Smoke
     
  18. ShootAndHunt

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    Hi guys,

    Thanks for all the replys.

    This is not my first rifle. I have several rifles for hunting and target shooting, and I am very satisfied with them. I raised this question because recently I want to purchase a new rifle again, and since I already have an all-around accurate and reliable rifle: Winchester 70 Sporter LT in .270 (I have only complain about its somehow heavy triggers though I get used to it), the only way to persuade my family (and in some sense, myself) is that I need something different, and I am now pretty interested in the accuracy of the rifle. I want to get a really accurate rifle (out of the box and counter) and enjoy it. I want it accurate in both short and long range. (Accuracy again, but hey this t is where shooting fun begins.)

    So you see, I just want to add to my collection a super accurate rifle (and around my budget range 700~800 bucks). I have heard some good thing about Remington 700 LTR or PSS, but have no any experience with them, also no experience with .223, .22-250, .308 and .30-06 caliber, though I heard some of them are very accurate. Now you guys helped me notice the savage, tikka. Thanks! but still no comments about Remington 700 LTR or PSS?

    Man, when I am writing this I am just wondering: Am I a rifle nuts now?!
     
  19. Smoke

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    Well that changes things some.

    Remington makes a very good rifle out of the box. Trigger might need a little work. PSS is good. I can't comment on the LTR.

    Savage is still a contender for what your looking for.
    My brother is a die hard Browning guy, I'm not as big on them, I would rather have a comparable Remington. Ford vs Chevy?

    .223 is still a great, cheap round. .22-250 is flatter and better for longer ranges, but it will eat barrels faster.

    .308 and .30.06 are great intermidiate rounds. Either will take most North American game and are proven rounds that are great for longer distances.

    Decide what you want the gun to do - then decide whether you need the quarter bores or the 30s.

    Then look at any of the guns mentioned. My preference as stated, runs to Remmys, YMMV. Good luck.

    Smoke
     
  20. 4v50 Gary

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    I thought 5R barrels were scarcer than hen's teeth.
     
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    You can get a BDL with the 5R barrel if you have patience and a dealer who will put in the effort for you. I asked the dealer to get me one in March (IIRC) and I got it in August.
     
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    Remington did churn out a limited run of rifles with 5R barrels destined for the civilian market, esentially they looked like a stainless version of the Varmint Synthetic.

    Nice rifles, I don't think a Remington 5R barrel is as good as a Mike Rock or Obermyer 5R barrel but the Rem 5R is still a darn good barrel.


    Used to be a time, or so I hear, that the 700 Police rifles came with a 5R barrel but that was MANY MANY MOONS ago. Now there is little practical difference between a 308Win PSS offering and the 308Win VS offering(stock, exterior finish, and a politically correct safty shroud on bolt is about it).


    A local shop here in town had one of the 5R barreled BDL rifles on their racks for a good 6 months, I think they FINALLY sold it about a month ago.
     
  23. Surely

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    270 308 and 30-06 are all in the same ballpark, you already have one so dont bother with another at this time. Are you looking to hunt larger game than what you already hunt? Really a 270 is good for just about anything up to elk and maybe moose, personally if I was after something like moose or elk I would take my 300 wby mag. Bear or other dangerous game and Im into my 338 win mag range. Sounds like you are looking for something fun to shoot thats good for game smaller than your 270. I would look at a 22-250 if you reload, they arent too bad on barrels, not like a swift would be at least, and you can load down a bit and save one you barrel if your concerned. 22-250 is a good smaller deer, yote, varmint round, very accurate for its class if you get a good gun. 223 is the what I would buy if you dont/cant reload. Ammo is cheap and its still a adequate varmint caliber although your max range will be less than a 22-250. Want something still smaller, check out the 17 hmr rounds, they arent a long range round, but still quite accurate out to 250 yards or so if you know how to shoot, people report taking pdogs and the like out to 400 yards with them. If you are shooting small birds, gophers, rats, fox or whatever they really make them go pop at under 150 yards.

    Tikka makes all these rounds and comes with about the best factory trigger I have shot, especially for the price. They are around 460 at walmart for the stainless/synthetic ones. You will pay about 100 bucks more at your local gun store. If you have a target price of about 700 bucks you can get the gun for 500 and then put a Simmons Aetec or White expedition on it for under 200 bucks and have an AWESOME setup. Simmons is about the best glass for the buck now days IMO, at least their higher priced stuff. I think cabelas has some on sale atm too if I remember right.
     
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    I normally discount just about 95% of what I read in gun rags, but there are exceptions. The February edition of Shooters ( I was bored and needed something to read on the airplane ) had a write up on some CG-63 Mauser rifles available from SARCO. These are full match rifles and the writer did some home work on these before putting pen to paper. The best group he shot was .5" @ 100 yds, with several .63-.88 groups depending on powder and bullets. These are running $595.00 in select hand picked. A similiar configuration with this accuracy would be in the $2000.00 range. The tests were done from 100 to 600 yds on this rifle and it performs. These are full match rifles built by Swedish military arsenals, and full of features. I doubt real seriously you can touch this kind of accuracy in another platform for twice the money.
     
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