Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

The Most Reliable .308 Semiauto Rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Nando Aqui, Aug 28, 2003.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Nando Aqui

    Nando Aqui Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Messages:
    529
    Location:
    Missouri
    For well over a year I have read five firearm forums almost daily and others less frequently. Some of the forums are tailored specifically for a type or types of firearms, and others are of a more general nature.

    At one time or another, every popular .30 semiautomatic rifle has been cited as having experienced some sort of malfunction. This has included FAL types, M14/M1A, M1 Garands, CETMEs, HK91-clones, and others. Less-popular rifles that I am not including are the FN49, 7.62 Valmet and other more obscure makes. I purposely narrowed the assessment to .30 caliiber to keep the exercise manageable.

    But there is one popular rifle that I have not become aware of anyone having problems with it: an original manufacture Heckler & Koch HK91. Accuracy not withstanding, even though the HK91 does rather well in this aspect also, it appears that there have been very few, if any malfunctions due to inherent characteristics with this rifle. By the way, my own experience with my HK91 and other rifles reflects what I have just stated, and as of right now, if I had to grab just one rifle, my HK91 would be the one.

    What has been ‘your’ own experience with the reliability of the Heckler & Koch HK91? How would you compare it with ‘your’ other rifles of similar type?

    Thanks –

    Alex
    ==============
    Note: Regarding the AK47 semiautomatic rifle versions – Since there are so many variants and manufacturers of these rifles and clones, I decided to exclude the type because I am not familiar enough with them to make the selection of a brand, or type, etc. That having been said, I do know that they are very reliable.
     
  2. Dave R

    Dave R Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    3,628
    Location:
    Idaho
    Don't have an HK, but let's see if I can use some logic here and come up with a decent answer.

    -The CETME was the immediate predecessor of the HK-91. Same team, minor revisions.

    -My Century CETME has never misfed in over a case worth of ammo since I bought it. I like shooting it a lot.

    -Therefore, my CETME is perfectly reliable.

    -Since the HK-91 is an improved version of the CETME, it must be even better, and even more reliable.

    Right?

    That was easy ;)
     
  3. Marko Kloos

    Marko Kloos Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2002
    Messages:
    2,587
    Location:
    Enfield, NH
    Can't speak for the HK91, but I've used the H&K G3 for four years fairly extensively. Between my issued rifle and all the "loaners" I used while attending different schools, I have never had a failure of any kind in a G3 while using live ammunition. (The blanks were green plastic with brass case heads, and they would melt in a hot rifle and cause jams on occasion.)
     
  4. Blain

    Blain member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2003
    Messages:
    993
    M14 all the way.
     
  5. SelfProclaimedExpert

    SelfProclaimedExpert member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2003
    Messages:
    323
    I have several friends in the Danish army. They tried to shoot their G3s to failure. Eventually (thousands of rounds) they started extracting poorly. The Danes put a little vaseline on the next case neck and fired. This blew the gunk out of the chamber grooves and the gun contined to fire for hundreds of rounds.

    With metal mags I've never had a jam (and mine is a Greek made gun). Including with softpoint ammo. The design is really breathtakingly simple and doesn't have narrow areas that bore gases can condense in, like a gas piston.
     
  6. twoblink

    twoblink Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2002
    Messages:
    3,727
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    M14. 'nuff said.
     
  7. pdt203

    pdt203 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2003
    Messages:
    79
    Location:
    Huntsville, AL
  8. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    9,325
    Location:
    Hoosieropolis
    The G3/HK-91 is one very reliable rifle; no gas system to get all full of cack and no external op rod to bend or jump track is a Good Thing. Yeah, it has all the handling characteristics of a pistol-gripped railroad tie, but the M1A and FAL ain't exactly svelte either, y'know. ;)
     
  9. Helmut

    Helmut Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2003
    Messages:
    25
    SR-25!
     
  10. BerettaNut92

    BerettaNut92 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2002
    Messages:
    9,724
    Depends what vintage :barf:
     
  11. MAKOwner

    MAKOwner Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    682
    It would be interesting to see a torture test on a HK91/G3 and a AK based .308 like a Galil or Valmet along with all the others listed. Something like that Alaska state patrol extreme cold duty torture test on all the .223 rifles from a magazine a couple years ago (I don't think any of the non-AK based actioned rifles did well). I would like to see how these stack up.
     
  12. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    9,325
    Location:
    Hoosieropolis
    MAKOwner,

    .308 Galils and Valmets aren't really known for stellar durability; especially .308 Galils.
     
  13. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    9,325
    Location:
    Hoosieropolis
    Skunk,

    Gosh Skunk, out of all the different vintages of M1A's you've owned, which were good years and which were bad ones? Which vintages should we watch out for? Or are you maybe making a generalization based on one lemon? :scrutiny:
     
  14. MAKOwner

    MAKOwner Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    682
    What kind of problems does the .308 Galil have? Haven't read much about them. The .223 Galil won the overall Alaska State Patrol test I mentioned earlier.
     
  15. Kestrel

    Kestrel Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    2,168
    Tamara,

    What kind of durability problems have the Galils had?

    Steve
     
  16. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    9,325
    Location:
    Hoosieropolis
    Slamfires, kabooms, battering which leads to headspace issues which leads to the aforementioned two. Heard bad things from both the Errornet and from two reputable 'smiths who've worked on more than one busted Galil. Matter of fact, we have one in the shop right now that's being restored after serious damage, under the caveat that it will be a wallhanger after it's fixed. The gun will be returned with the firing pin in a separate ziploc and a note to that effect. :uhoh:
     
  17. dude

    dude Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2003
    Messages:
    765
    Location:
    Oregon's Outback
    My first evil black rifle when I was a 19 year old punk in 82 was an HK 93..............that would happily produce a bolt in several broken pieces after the use of some IMI .223 ammo. It became sort of a game between HK and I and eventually they bought the rifle back.

    The origional 91/G3 series produced from the Cetme is bulletproof though!
     
  18. omega5

    omega5 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    141
    Location:
    TN
    I was one of the lucky ones to get to carry an M14 in VietNam. 13 1/2 months with a LRRP team and I can attest to the fact that it is one of the best if not the best battle rifle ever made. I have a civilian version in a Springfield M1A and it has never missed a beat. It's about 15 yrs old. I have a Remington 742 that is pretty good if you use the mag. that came with it. Every aftermarket mag I've tried in it would jam. In the 7.62 line, my Norinco SKS is great. Never burped either and I've had it for about 15 yrs too and I've put thousands of rounds thru it.
    Anyway, another vote for the M14 or its varients
     
  19. twoblink

    twoblink Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2002
    Messages:
    3,727
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Skunky's "tactical one" looks not so tactical now..

    And he can't hit much with it.. Is it him or the gun? He'll blame the gun... :D

    He says it's a $1500 SKS.. Well, I love "my" $1500 SKS.. :neener:
     
  20. Mikke

    Mikke Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    38
    Location:
    Sweden
    I've seen enough Ak-4 (Swedish made H&K G3) fail to extract to know they're not perfect. The fix have been simple though, change the spring that holds the extractor and they have been working just fine again.

    The one I was given last saturday worked just fine, and I managed to shoot a 1" 3-shot group at 100m, open sights and issue ammo, even though it's very worn, not much finish left on some parts and dinged and scratched. Must admit that normal groups was more like 2" then 1, but I'm kind of impressed. :)
     
  21. Joe Demko

    Joe Demko Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    6,523
    Location:
    Just two minutes from sanity.
    I have a PTR-91 that isn't giving me any problems. Also had a Polytech M-14 clone that was problem-free. Except for those few who are in firearms sales or who were part of a military that issued a .30 caliber rifle, how many of us here are qualified to answer the question with anything but information about the specific individual rifles we own?
     
  22. Timber-Hunter

    Timber-Hunter Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2003
    Messages:
    13
    M14

    Dad used one when he was in back in the 60's and
    I used a M21 from 1982-1984 with the 1/75.

    Still use a M1A for calling pred's.
     
  23. Keith

    Keith Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    1,784
    Location:
    Kodiak, Alaska
    One of the neat things about a FAL is that if the rifle gets gunked up, you can just reach up and dial the gas system down a notch or two to compensate.
    I prefer the ergonomics of the M14, but where reliability is concerned you'd have to give the nod to the FAL. I mean, if the M14 gets gunked up, you just have to stop and clean it.

    Keith
     
  24. bmwguy

    bmwguy Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    Messages:
    117
    Location:
    Northern Virginia
    I remember reading an gun magazine(SOF?) decades ago subjecting assault rifles to "Crest" test. This is where they literally squart crest all over the action and function test the rifle.

    The only one really past the crest was the AK action based. I believe Valmet was represented and passed.

    The HK-91 was able to function, but only on single action mode.

    I believe most of other weapons failed.
     
  25. dude

    dude Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2003
    Messages:
    765
    Location:
    Oregon's Outback
    Good to know if you are ever going to be in a high-toothpaste enviorment!

    .........but typical of a lapdog gun rag attempt at a stress test. The fact that seemingly none of the morons were killed by the tootpaste-clogged rifles says alot about the robustness of the designs.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page