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The new ".45 Glock" round

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Tall Man, Jul 1, 2003.

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  1. Tall Man

    Tall Man Member

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    A pretender to the throne?

    I discovered the pending* existance of this round in an article that discussed the new Glock 37 pistol. It is a full-sized autoloader designed to chamber the new .45 Glock round. The new caliber is essentially a .45 with a shortened case. The intent is to obtain .40 S&W velocity whilst retaining the generally large holes offered by a traditional .45 ACP round. The shorter case will allegedly allow for a more efficient powder burn. The shorter case also allows a decreased distance between the grip and the trigger on the G37; some of you may no doubt have difficulty holding a Glock pistol due to its rather fat grip.

    The Tall Man's initial reaction to news of another boutique caliber was that he was reading about a solution in search of a problem. Agree/disagree? I'll entertain all feedback here.

    *I say "pending" because the article went on to say that the G37 will have a magazine designed to hold 11 rounds, which of course limits this frame to Law Enforcement agencies only. Introductions of compact and sub-compact frames should remedy this matter for those enamored of the new caliber.

    Respectfully,
    Tall Man
     
  2. dude

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    Well I'd be intrested in a compact one!!!


    .....if it was a few $100 less than a Glock 30 and the ammo was cheap and plentiful.
     
  3. ElToro

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    I'm not impressed. sposed to be a .45 acp cut down by .07 inch.. but autos dont work the way a .38 / .357mag or .44 spec / .44mag revo works...

    answer for a problem that doesnt exist. way for glock to sell the new new new thing

    may have a logistical 1870's style .45 colt .45 schofield field mix up
     
  4. Sox

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    If he wanted this new round to be successful he should've brought it out in a full size single stack frame that everyone wanted! The current 37 is a major disappointment. Why do I want a 37 sized gun that ballistically is a .40SW, but with less rounds. Should've just brought out the .45ACP we wanted. I think there will be enough novel interest, but the question wasn't really asked in the first place unlike the .40S&W. I wonder though how many rounds a subcompact version could hold?
     
  5. Andrew Wyatt

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    The small handed should be able to have .45 caliber glocks that fit them, too. yes, i know a single stack .45 ACP glock would have been better, but this is about as thin as the enginers at glock would have made that (what with their obsession with magazines that have half inch sidewalls and all) and has more capacity.
     
  6. Sean Smith

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    Gee, look, another Glock 37 thread... is this number 10,000,000? :rolleyes:

    Wrong. Only the 11 round magazines themselves would be restricted, not the frame.
     
  7. Tall Man

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    I just discovered the introduction of the G37

    -Here's a nice discussion about the ballistic properties of the new .45 GAP (Glock Auto Pistol) round: http://www.speer-bullets.com/default.asp?s1=2&s2=23

    -The article referenced in my opening post did, IIRC, state that the G37 will initially be accompanied by 11 round magazines only. If true, this would effectively limit the pistol's availability to LE agenices only. This presumes an absence of any compatible 10 round magazines, of course, which I expect to be the case here.

    -An admittedly cursory review of the THR forums did not yield any existing Glock 37 threads. Thus, I chose to initiate this particular thread. I will endeavor to be more circumspect in the future.

    Tall Man

    Happy that no one pissed in my cereal this morning.
     
  8. krept

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    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27900 this is one where I had some comments.

    I don't see this cartridge being accepted by a military (no big deal, really).

    But I also don't see it as catching on well with LE circles either. My reasoning is that the .45 already has mid-low sectional density as it is... and if you take away the 230gr bullet and have a max weight of 200gr, unless I am mistaken this cartridge will not penetrate light cover or concealment very well. Something I belive that LE wants.

    Further, in LE circles, the .45 ACP has been available for those who are issued platforms chambered for it or for those who choose to carry it... and it gets the job done. With the introduction of the .40/357SIG I think that LE has found the proverbial cat's meow... making it even harder to switch. The entities that have 9mm will probably stay with it, as will those with .45.

    Now, military or LE acceptance doesn't (or shouldn't) hold that much weight with weapon afficionados. But it might mean a lot to the generic consumer. My point here is that I just really don't see it catching on more so than say, 10mm.

    To me it seems only to fill the niche for the "I have small hands, want 10 rounds/magazine and HAVE to have a .45" crowd.

    Personally, I love innovation. OTOH, I'd rather see more innovations platform-wise (glockish w/safety lever, 1911 w/paddle mag release, striker fired HK or SIG that you can grip high, etc. etc.) than cartridge-wise.

    We'll see how it does. I can guarantee you there will be a media blitz, the rags will write glowing reviews about it, some will think it's the greatest. I think it'll sell like a turd, but that's just me.

    cheers
     
  9. Spackler

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    It's not a big deal. Glock will manufacture the thing, and if the market supports it, it was a good move on Glock's part. More choice for the consumer is a good thing.

    I have to laugh at some of the arguments over this sort of thing. Hey, nobody is forcing anybody to buy the thing.
     
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    egg-zacl-ly

    I will not be supporting the new Glock but I was ALL OVER the new .17HMR when it came out
     
  11. JohnKSa

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    I have to laugh at these threads.

    I can't quite understand why the introduction of a new 45 cartridge should cause such consternation.

    It's just another caliber choice for pete's sake. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's not like someone's trying to sleep with your wife!
     
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    Gaston Glock just can't stand the fact that John Moses Browning got it right before him...
     
  13. dsk

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    I think the biggest news with the .45 Glock round will be how much it annoys .45ACP users. From now on reloaders will have to inspect their scavenged brass very carefully.
     
  14. 9x19

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    All I can say is: I want one I want one I want one! :D

    You'll never know 'til you try....
     
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    I see it selling more in Europe than here- I believe military calibres are restricted, but in this case folks can have a .45, kinda sorta.
     
  16. Ky Larry

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    Glock is just trying to find something the public will buy. They are in business to sell weapons and they need to find something the shooting world will want. It's the same thing Remington and Winchester are doing with their 'Ultra-Fat-Short-Mag-Super-Duper-Wonder-Zap' rifle calibers. I think they are great. I've snapped up a Winchester Model 70 Feather Weight (.270 Win), a Browning A-Bolt (.300 Win Mag) and a Remington 700 ADL (7mm Rem Mag) for peanuts because their owners just had to have the 'Latest & Greatest'. Hopefully some 1911's will get traded in for the new fad in hand guns. Buy what you want and shoot what you want.
     
  17. Scoob

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    I am pretty indifferent so far. It may be a good idea, maybe not, wait and see I guess. I'm not going to get upset about it like some do (unless they force me to buy one).

    I'm sure 45acp fans will trash it( as is already happening) just like 10mm fans make sure everyone knows they hate .40's:p

    I think the (predictable) reaction to it is kinda funny:p
     
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    Great idea 30 years too late. Shoulda hit at the beginning of the WonderNine craze.

    Then Glock wouldn't have had to make their seriously overfat .45 ACP gun.

    It will probably sell as well as the .45 ACP Glocks have, but at the same time completely kill the ACP Glock sales. It will be worth their investment (barely) but won't be a gold mine, either.
     
  19. Pat S

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    I find all the controversy humorous. I have to agree with these guys!

    JohnKSa
    "It's just another caliber choice for pete's sake. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's not like someone's trying to sleep with your wife!"

    Spackler
    "I have to laugh at some of the arguments over this sort of thing. Hey, nobody is forcing anybody to buy the thing."

    I'm looking forward to trying one out. A .45 200 gr. bullet that duplicates the performance of the 45 ACP, in a frame that fits the majority of those that pick it up. Sounds good to me. I predict it will be just as popular as the 357 Sig.. Perhaps moreso over time.

    As for a single stack full-sized Glock, I would just as soon have a 1911-----much better trigger!


    Stay Safe, Pat S



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  20. krept

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    I've been thinking about this as well..

    The 10mm --> 40SW resulted in a shorter, more efficient cartridge. I think they eliminated the heaviest 10mm loading (200gr?) but keep the others.

    The .45 ACP --> 45 Glock will result in a shorter, more efficient cartridge. It looks like they are going to eliminate the heaviest (230gr) loading but will retain 200, 185 and prob 165? as well.

    If they can find a way to make it penetrate with the lower sectional density I think it will be interesting.

    I also wonder who will be the first to neck it down to .40, like a shorter .40 Super?



    cheers:scrutiny:
     
  21. CWL

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    Nope, not more efficient cartridge (and what do you mean by efficient anyways?). 10mm-lite & .40S&W came abouts because female agents (and egghead recruits) couldn't comfortably handle the 10mm load. Lack of training led to inability of agents in handling 10mm load. 10mm is as good a manstopper as a pistol round will ever get.

    .45Glock is another solution in search of a problem.
     
  22. 10-Ring

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    I was wondering, could it be considered the 45 kurz? :evil:
     
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    Just the thought of this new wonder-round has me already comtemplating my next nap.


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  24. Sven

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    Yawn. Now, if they were making it BIGGER than a .45, that would be cool - to me. The whole thing just seems silly... it's 0.07 inches shorter, the mags hold 11 rounds for LEO (1 more than can be manufactured for citizens)... don't the LEOs want a double-stack with all that extra ammo in there? Frankly, I'm just PUZZLED about what they are thinking, is all.

    I won't support this move by Glock. Soon I will start a thread for a 'pool' to bet what the cost of 50 rounds of this ammo will cost (average MSRP, commercial ball) in 1, 2, and 5 years.
     
  25. 9x19

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    Man, I need some better eyes... this looks like more than 70 thousandths to me.
     
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