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The new Armalite CZ clone

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by cold dead hands, Apr 7, 2007.

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  1. cold dead hands

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    Has anybody come to the conclusion that this an over priced CZ clone from Turkey?
     
  2. varoadking

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    I haven't handled one, so I really can't come to any conclusion...
     
  3. Richard

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    Are the Armalite CZ clones over priced for clones? Yes, on the other hand Turkish firearms seem to be very well made and enjoy a good reputation. I would try one if I found it used. Regards, Richard:D
     
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    Tanfoglio of Italy originally listed Sarsilmaz of Turkey as a distributor of thier CZ clones, which are imported into the US as the Witness. I would be unsuprised to find the Armalite, which is a Turkish import, has its origins in Italy.
    Turkey does have a booming firearms industry, and I do hear decent things about them.
     
  5. Dobe

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    I believe Kimber is importing a SXS from Turkey.

    I handled the Armalite last week. I want one. My biggest reservation is that CZ mags will not work in the Armalite. This is the only thing I don't like about it.
     
  6. Grayrider

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    Old style 16 round Tanfoglio mags should work fine. They do in mine, although given that it was the first gun they sold I have shot it little. More of a collectors piece to me, and a thank you from ArmaLite for helping.

    Wait until you guys see the 45! I got some exclusive pictures from Mark Westrom last week, but had to promise to keep them to myself. It has come along way from the original shots I released last year, and will be a hot seller if priced right.

    :D

    John
     
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    Out of curiosity, why would Armalite have a CZ type manufactured and not standardize on an easily obtained magazine? That would have been a great selling point.
     
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    Still wondering
     
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    I cannot speak for ArmaLite, but would venture that the 16 round Witness/Baby Eagle magazines are about as plentiful as CZ-75 magazines. I think Mec-gar is still making them given that EAA only changed to 18 shot large frame magazines for 9mm a couple years ago. However, I did tell them originally to make sure the gun took 75 magazines as the long term availability will be better given Tanfoglio dropped the 16 shot mags. I don't know why they did not go with my suggestion. Probably easier to leave the gun the way it was.

    John
     
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    That's too bad. That is the one reason I would not buy one. Other than that, its a great looking handgun, and its forged constructions is a plus.
     
  11. Richard

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    Dobe, I am sure that Tanfoglio and Armalite sell more firearms outside of the USA than they do in the USA.
     
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    The Turks make good guns. However, it's an overpriced CZ clone. Stay with the CZ.
     
  13. Dobe

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    I have a CZ.. I believe the fit and finish is better on the Turk model, and I personally like the forged frame and slide. I'm willing to pay a little more for that. I don't like the idea that the clone will not take the "standard" mag.

    The idea of original means nothing to me. That is why I have no loyalty to Colt when buying 1911's. I seek the best made within my buying power.
     
  14. Dobe

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    Richard,
    What does this mean in the context of what I wrote. I'm afraid I sincerely don't understand.
     
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    My CZ's don't lack anything. Why pay more and maybe get less? Yes I like clones, if they are priced right. Not priced MORE.
     
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    I handled an AR24K (compact steel frame) in the store on Friday. I like Armalite products in general, and really do admire the company for bringing in this pistol. However, you won't find me plunking down any cash for this thing.

    It's ugly. The one I handled had a badbadbad trigger in both DA and SA mode. The slide-to-frame fit was sloppy and overall the pistol lacked the solid feel of a CZ. It was no less expensive than a CZ. The trigger pull was mushy, long, very heavy, and had more lateral play in the works than should ever have been allowed to ship. The finish was poor. The controls were sloppy. Oh, and did I mention that it had a really bad trigger?

    Ugh.

    I remain perplexed as to why anyone would want one when the real McCoy is freely available and far better made.
     
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    Wow, those that I have seen (and not shot admittidly) were just the opposite. They looked great, and the slide fit was tight.
     
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    Just buy a CZ and ignore the rip offs.
     
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    “…why would Armalite have a CZ type manufactured and not standardize on an easily obtained magazine? That would have been a great selling point.”

    “Dobe, I am sure that Tanfoglio and Armalite sell more firearms outside of the USA than they do in the USA.”

    “Richard,
    What does this mean in the context of what I wrote. I'm afraid I sincerely don't understand.”

    Dobe, it means that there is a huge market outside of the USA and the importance of compatibility with CZ75 magazines isn’t necessarily an issue in those markets. With this said, TZ75 magazines have never been hard for me to find and they work well in my TZ75.

    “I remain perplexed as to why anyone would want one when the real McCoy is freely available and far better made?

    Rbernie, When I purchased my first Tanfoglio FIE TZ75 it was next to impossible to buy CZ pistols in the USA. I have spoken to representatives of EAA (Tanfoglio) and they feel their product (TZ75) is superior to the CZ75 products. I have owned both TZ and CZ pistols and I see very little difference in how they perform.

    Regards,

    Richard:D
     
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    I have owned several TZs and at least a dozen CZs. The older TZs were much better finished than the current crop of EAA offerings, and were certainly on par with the CZ. The newer Witness pistols are not.

    And I'd rather have hot tar poured up my nostrils than have to go back to EAA for post-sales support; I've been down that road a couple of times and have no desire to repeat it. CZ was the model of accomodation after my experiences with EAA.

    I'm sure that Armalite will support their pistols well. I'm glad that they're bringing in the AR-24. I'm terribly disappointed with the one sample that I held, both in terms of its fitment and in its (relatively) high cost.
     
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    I don't know about over priced, because I had one offered to me today (gun dealer), new, for $399 (special from Armalite). He also sells CZs for about 50$ more than that.

    Personally, I don't like the way it feels. Default grips on the right side are obtrusive, I don't like the raised bump on the rear of the slide, and there is a noteable lack of 'index finger grooves' over the trigger guard area, which I use to index on while not with my finger on the trigger. It's not bad, but those ruin three of the better things aout the CZ for me.
     
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    I wish Armalite all the best with their venture, but I will take a CZ or SIG, instead.
     
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    Only one place around me is currently stocking the Armalite pistols. In that store the relationship is reversed -- new CZ-75 full size runs about $430, and he wants $480 for a full-size Armalite.

    I have to +1 the guys who've noted the CZ magazine issue as a reason for not buying. Between my P-01 and SP-01, I have an assortment of 9mm CZ magazines (originals plus Mecgar aftermarkets) and if the Armalites could use any of those I might have been willing to try one out. As it is, I'm more likely to buy a stock CZ-75B to add to the CZ collection than pick up the AR-24.
     
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    HorseSoldier, that seems about right. This Sportsman's rep said they bought half a dozen when they first came out (something like that) at a one-time-only discount to help move product, or something like that. The local gun shop down the street had it for $500-something - but they generally like to treat their customers poorly.
     
  25. atblis

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    Here's me initial appraisal

    Some initial thoughts posted over at czforum.com. I'd probably buy one for $399.

     
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