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The next Civil War

Discussion in 'Legal' started by MikeK, Oct 29, 2004.

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  1. MikeK

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    I'm pro Bush. He's not the greatest person to occupy the oval office, but there is no other choice given the two. No disrespect to the third party supporters here. I have voted for some in the past and in MD I might do it this year, since the state will go for Kerry unless PG, Montgomery and Baltimore counties are eliminated before 11/2. I live in one of them so I really don't want to see that happen.

    My main issue, but not the sole issue is RKBA.

    I have sent numerous E-Mails supporting Bush or disparaging Kerry to many people. Some of my friends are liberal and strongly support Kerry. There have been several friendships diminished as a result of this election that I know of. There are also accounts of the same in some threads on THR.

    Regardless of who wins and how and when, will this election be the beginning of a new Civil War between the red and blue states?
     
  2. JPL

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    In a lot of ways this election is far from the most polarizing that this country has gone through.

    No, no civil war.
     
  3. io333

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    Not while there is TV and football season!



    And BEER!



    :D



    But seriously.


    Why in the world should there be a revolution? It's rediculous. Life is *fantastic* here, for everyone. What, not everyone has two or three brand new cars? Oh dear, they have to drive an old car that can only cruise comfortably at 100mph instead of 150mph? Well then, it's time to revolt against those evil corporations who keep us down by giving us faster cars and bigger televisions.


    Not enough? Then let's revolt against all the evil fast food companies who gives us TOO MUCH FOOD for our money.


    Revolt against Wal-mart because they price stuff so cheap that we're filling our houses with piles of stuff we don't even want. It's making us by ever bigger houses to keep all our stuff in and making us employ *evil union workers* to build them.

    :rolleyes:


    Heck, if it's gun rights you are concerned about, just move to a better state.

    Vermont if you like cold weather, Texas if you like it hot.
     
  4. Daemon688

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    Civil war?

    Are you kidding?

    To fight a war over who is president? There will be another presidential election in 4 years......
     
  5. Michigander

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    Civil War? Between the Dems and Reps?

    Hmmm. .. . .. . ... let me see . . ... . . . .who would have the most firepower?
     
  6. Zrex

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    Yeah, but who is actually willing to get off their butts and be civil disobedient rock throwing car burning rioters?


    It is easier for a man with the will to riot to locate a gun than it is for a man with a gun to locate the will to riot.
     
  7. Brick

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    When guns are banned, only real men will have guns.

    :uhoh:
     
  8. R.H. Lee

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    Americans aren't the only factions who might be involved in any possible 'civil war'. How many millions of illegal aliens do we have in this country? Look at Israel. They have what, 3 million 'Palestinian' squatters on their land, because they failed to protect their borders. Now the only solution is to give the 'Palestinians' their own state. That means Israel gives up some of their land to a foreign power. There is no other solution.

    What if all the illegal aliens in this country congregated in one area, say Southern California and demanded their own state? You'd have a Mexican style intifada. That's when the 'civil war' will start. We're making the same mistake Israel has made over the past 60 years, failing to protect our borders, and some future generation, maybe not too far off, will pay the price.
     
  9. Atticus

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    I don't see any civil war in the near future....but if the election process does not improve, and the cheating goes unabated, and if the party in power was to pass sweeping legislation (such as eliminating the electoral college)...anything is possible. It truly worries me that swarms of people are roaming around Ohio (and other hotly contested states) are attempting to bugger up the system as best they can. These folks would be spending their time burning animal research labs, slashing the tires of SUV's and spiking trees in lumber zones.. IF... it wasn't an election year.
    The dirty trick squads also seem to be targeting the absentee ballots in this election. People on both sides will be far more likely to take up arms if the legitimate political process becomes so tainted that people feel the system is worthless. If something radical isn't done ...it could happen.
     
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  10. The Rabbi

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    Umm, the Electoral College is a constitutional requirement so it would take a constitutional amendment to eliminate it. Not that it couldnt be done but it would take a lot, as was done with direct election of Senators in about 1913.

    What worries me is the army, over 10,000, of lawyers that the Dems have lined up both on site and in "SWAT" teams, ready to drop in on any contested area. 10,000 lawyers does not make me confident in even a legal outcome.
     
  11. Jax

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    Unfortunately, this is not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...

    Israel has aggressively protected its borders - to the point of annexing adjacent land for use as buffer zones and "lebensraum". Wherever they have been able to get away with it, they have done so.

    The land that makes up Israel was taken from the 'Palestinians' and 'given' to them in 1947. Why was that right and this is not?

    Israel is not the innocent party you make it out to be. (Not that the Palestinians are any better - both sides are to blame.)

    Jax
     
  12. RobW

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    In essence, it is the big cities against the rest of the country. Shuysters, corrupt politicos, and "Liberals" were quiet successful in destroying what once was the great United States Of America.

    We'll see if we are in line with the mediocre, insignificant nations, or still the leader of the "free" world.

    What turned me away totally from the "Democratic" party is their dirty tricks and the accompliceship of nearly the whole "Media".
     
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    It's not about "R" vs "D" In fact all indications are that most people are FAR less loyal to party politics than they were fifty or 100 years ago. The current red vs. blue drift goes much deeper than that, and the R vs D is simply the proxy battlefield on which this dispute is being fought. I hate to say it but it is something of a culture war. One part of the nation sees us embracing a world community, the other would rather die first. One part of the nation wants us to be more like Europe, the other would like to see us bomb Europe. Though unlikely, it's possible the current proxy war might turn into a shooting match. Before you get to an actual civil war, you'd likely see a new "bleeding Kansas" crisis, with Americans killing each other over political issues. Unfortunately once the blood starts flowing it tends to be followed by more and more blood.
     
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    There hasn't been a "first" civil war in the U.S. yet.
     
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    Regardless of political affiliation, I've had long time friends "dismiss" me because they found out that I have firearms in my house. Their dogmatic, ideological attachment to these ill-educated beliefs of theirs apparently outweighs, to them, the value of our relationship.

    But then again, if they're the type who would cut you loose because of something as dumb as "omg, you own a gun!" then they really weren't good friends.
     
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    Jax- Here is an historical account of the Jewish-Palestinian relationship, complete with maps. http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

    The Arabs have long been the aggressors in the region, despite many olive branches extended to the Palestinians by Israel. "Push the Jews into the sea", remember?
     
  17. longeyes

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    No, it can't happen here.

    The rule of law is under serious attack.

    Suffrage is turning into a joke.

    The '04 Election may not be decided until '08.

    And Kerry is going to be able to govern, much less be Commander-in-Chief?

    No, it can't happen here.
     
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    I would not say "far" but close. The 60's and 70's certainly were hectic. This time it's the have nots against the have's which strikes a little closer to home (than a "just" war) for many people. Proverty and doing without seldom results in calm debate, it's an emotional issue not a logical one.
     
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    Despite (maybe because of) the screen name I have no automatic passes for the Israeli government, past or present. Yet to see a well-known Nazi term used in conjunction with Israeli policies tells me this is not someone worth talking to, not on Israel, not on any subject.
     
  20. Standing Wolf

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    Nope. The national leftist extremist self-styled "news" media want us to believe the nation is tottering on the brink of civil war, but a.) it's a lie, and b.) it's a lie designed to encourage the witless to "unite" behind that Kerry creature.
     
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    Civil War? Naah!

    Local outbreaks of spirited enthusiasm for long festering greviences against the federales? Yep.

    The most likely scenario is the great unwashed finally picks up on the clues of the ruling class and begins to simply ignore the law of their choice. The impending election fiasco is just one more example government at all levels simply ignoring laws its finds inconvenient to obey. Don't know what I'm talking about? Try noodling through illegal immigration and count the laws government and corporations and state government is ignorng.

    Sooner or later the unwashed herds will ape what our government is doing and then the real fun will start.
     
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    RileyMc - My apologies, I am not communicating well. IMHO, the palestinians are not innocents either. Both sides have behaved atrociously.

    However, there is a significant difference between the Arabs (internal and external to the Israeli borders) who have fought against Israel from the beginning and the Arabs who were living in their ancestral homes when Israel was created. Israel had no right to expel the Arabs living in the newly created nation in 1948.

    Hopefully you will agree that the link you provided, while interesting reading, presents a partisan viewpoint of the region's history.

    The Rabbi - if you can think of a synonym for the offensive term which conveys a substantially similar meaning as clearly and succinctly, I would be pleased to add it to my lexicon. Barring that, please don't try to read between the lines.

    I am emphatically *not* a Nazi sympathizer. However, I am also not willing to give the Israeli nation a free pass an moral issues because of something that happened 50+ years ago.

    I apologize to all for the thread hijack. In keeping with the orginal thread, however, I read a decent book called "Cadillac Desert" which makes a good point that the next civil war in the US will likely be caused over water rights.

    Jax
     
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    Just a thought that popped into my head while reading this thread.

    What better way for the lefties to get our troops to stop "murdering those poor brown-skinned poeple", get out of Iraq and back in country than to start a Civil War?


    Just a thought, and not really based on any facts or rational thought.
     
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    Civil War?

    Naw too many apatheic people living in America. If our fore fathers were alive today, other than frantically scratching at the lids of their coffins I beleive that would be a little upset how their country has grown up.

    Since the New Deal we have slowly become a society of entitlement, some in a thread said if NASCAR was banned then maybe people would get off their asses and do something.

    There won't be a civil war, but there might be a few more WACO type ordeals when liberitarian type folks build there own city/estate to live a life without big brother.

    Charby
     
  25. Andrew Rothman

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    Jax -

    Your "lebensraum" term is not only offensive, it is inaccurate.

    Israel has not started any wars of conquest. When attacked, Israel has defended herself valiantly, and gained and kept land in the process.

    That's the way war works. If you attack your neighbor and lose, he is going to, if he can, keep a chunk of YOUR land as a buffer zone to keep you out of his house.

    Now go look at a map. As Larry Miller put it:
    Here's the whole article: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/161yaihr.asp?pg=2
     
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