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The ol SR9 and winchester white box problem

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Potatohead, Apr 16, 2013.

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  1. Potatohead
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    Hey hoofan or anyone, when i tried to clear it, i couldnt get the mag to eject and i didnt want to tug on it and break something. I took it a range over and some nice older gent got the cartridge out. He had his back turned when he unjammed it, do you just yank the mag out? The next cartridge was kind of halfway in halfway out and keeping the mag connected to gun it looked like
     
  2. xfyrfiter

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    FTE can also be caused by the gun being a little dirtier than usual, esp. around the extractor. If that area of the gun gets dry or gritty the extractor may be hanging up and not hooking the rim of the shell deep enough.
     
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    Don't get caught up in WWB being labeled as "cheap ammo". What people mean by this is that it's "unreliable" or "defective" on a consistent basis.

    I've never found WWB to be either unreliable or defective in the 9mm or .45 acp. I've shot a few thousand of each through my Beretta 92FS and my Colt 1991A1, respectively, and have never had a problem with the ammunition. I've shot both through other pistols and also haven't had any problems.


    You do bring up a good point, though, about not buying a ton of ammunition that you haven't tested in your pistol first. In my opinion, it is well worth the time and expense to buy several different brands and types of ammunition to test fire through a newly purchased gun. This is what I do. Sometimes you find a particular brand or load which doesn't cycle well in the pistol. These I avoid. From the results of the tests, I make my decision on what to buy for that particular pistol.

    I'd recommend this tactic for you, as well.

    Given the current issues with market availability, this might pose a problem in obtaining several different brands and loads of 9mm. However, I suspect there are quite a few people (even on this site) who would happily trade a box or two of a particular brand in exchange for similar value in your WWB.

    Heck, if you were near by (SC resident, currently in VA), I'd swap a box or two of Aguila 115 gr FMJ for an equal amount in WWB. Or sell a box or two at cost (I picked up a thousand rounds for $200 three months or so ago). My Beretta shoots both equally well.
     
  4. Potatohead
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    Thx retired good points
     
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    Winchester USA is very basic practice ammo.

    I do not find it to be unreliable or low quality.

    If a pistol cannot properly feed it, there's a problem with it.

    What you're describing is a failure to extract.

    There may be something wrong with the extractor. Another possibility is that something is causing the case wall to stick to the chamber. Inspect the extractor and chamber condition.
     
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    I have put a bunch of WWB through my SR9c, with no problems at all (both 147g JHP and 115g FMJ).

    When my P345 was new it did not like to feed flat point Ranier plated bullet reloads. After looking at ejected cases and watching the action work I found the chamber mouth was too sharp and the rear of the barrel had a spot that was not aligned quite right, a few minutes of stoning and it's 100% with those reloads (it was 100% with factory ammo out of the box). I think it would have smoothed out over time, but I didn't want to wait.
     
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    My SR9 will eat Anything. Were I you, I'd contact Ruger so it could be sent back to them for a warranty issue.

    My 2 cents
     
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    hey thx yall. i think i will just ask ruger to take a look at it, even though Maggie the service rep says they cant do anything about it
     
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    The only reason I will say this is because you said your a bit of a noob, not trying to offend.. Make sure you are holding the pistol very tight. If you are holding loosely, limp wristing, the slide will not actuate at the normal required speed and force, relative to the frame. Try holding it suuuper tight and see what happens. My sr9c has failed to fire with wwb, which is why I try not to buy it, but when it goes off, it has never failed to eject.. If there's a problem, Ruger will take care of it.
     
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    SR9 WWB problem

    I have a keltec PF9 that WWB stuck in the breech bad enough that the extractor would slip off the brass. I modified the extractor till the slide wouldn't move when you fired a round. After the brass cooled it would fall out. It had some cutter marks in the breech that I couldn't polish out so I sent a pic to keltec and they sent a new barrel which solved my problem.
    KelTecBarrel2.jpg

    Oh I have a SR9 and I've never had any problems with it other than the gritty heavy trigger. :)
     
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    thats interesting pete but im not sure i got all that straight. can u elaborate a bit more? so it was fixed when they sent you a new barrel? or you did something to the extractor? or you just did something to the extractor to get the failure ou or what? im a little new at this
     
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    hey pete, in the pic, is the scratched up part at about 8 oclock? that little blemish there?
     
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    If I click on the pic it enlarges it..least it does here..the rough spots are at 5 or 6 oclock. Kinda looks like screw threads. KelTecBarrel.jpg


    I worked on the extractor on my PF9 trying to get the sticking wwb brass to eject. I put a new extractor and spring in first. That didn't help so I took .010 off the inside of the extractor to seat it deeper in the brass. It held the brass so well the slide didn't move when I fired it. So I emailed Keltec and showed them the pic. They sent a new barrel and that solved my problem.
     
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    Could we get a pic of the WWB rounds?

    I have little experiance with the brand. Remington UMC was my go to 9mm ammo before I started reloading. But a buddy of mine uses WWB frequently. One time he showed up at the range with a 100 round box of .40 SW that I didnt like the looks of.

    The rounds had a roll crimp, not the standard taper crimp. Semi auto cartridge, jacketed bullet with no cannelure, this surely couldnt be right. No way they would headspace properly. However, his SR40 handled them just fine.

    Others he's had before, and since, seemed normal. Just one odd duck in the bunch I guess. Maybe, possibly, somthing like this is causing a problem?
     
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    thx pete, and yes the pic does enlarge.... mboe ,i would love to post some pics...if i knew how:) Your just talking about the ones in the box i havent fired? i just threw the fail to eject ones in with all the other spent brass
     
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    fyi i just created a signature for the first time, i didnt randomly just enter stuff in a post about clinging to guns and religion
     
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    i c now
     
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    How old is your SR9? Every one I have tried has a very light trigger...Hickok45 even said he thought the safety was necessary because the trigger was so light

    I am sure the WWB rounds which are correctly loaded are just fine.....but I have seen to many QC problems in those 100 round boxes. Bullets seated too deep, bullets seated crooked which crushed the case. .45GAP rounds in a box of .40 S&W. That's just what I have seen...the internet is full of other people with similar problems.
     
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    Any modern handgun that will not work well with WWB, Federal, or Rem UMC has a problem. Some guns may need to get a few hundred rounds for break-in but that is also getting more rare. These are all high quality. Now, some claim one or the other to be cleaner in their particular gun, but something that is hard to measure. Some, will like some others better, either hotter (e.g. S&B, Win NATO ...) or softer (e.g. CCI ALUMINIUM, Cablelas TNJ ...).
     
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    I’ve not experienced a problem with WWB in Glock, SIG, S&W Gen-3 and the current MP9 series pistols. This in my opinion is a Ruger problem rather than a WWB problem. With thousands and I mean thousand’s of WWB fired not just a limited sample.
     
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    not so fast my friend
     
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    As an example we have representative semiautomatic pistols from Glock, Ruger, SIG and S&W chambered in 9mm-Luger. The test ammunition is WWB lets say purchased from Wal-Mart. Three of the four pistols involved function with out a problem and one pistol is functionally problematic. Do we conclude the ammunition is the problem or the one pistol that was functionally problematic is the problem?
     
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    yea but what if that pistol can fire every other ammo w no problems?
     
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