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The Open Carry Argument

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Mainsail, Jun 16, 2008.

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  1. Prepster

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    I enjoy open carry myself. I only do it in the summer for temperature reasons, but I'd much rather OC than CC. I don't live in a place with huge crowds and overzealous police officers, so it isn't an issue. My one police encounter lasted about 5 minutes, and I wasn't disarmed or arrested or anything like that. The officer didn't really seem to care, but was just responding to a complaint.

    It's good to have a choice in your mode of carry. I like the freedom to wear a low-slung hip holster on a hot day, but at the same time if I'm going to a busy place and I don't want to worry about retention as much, I'll CC.

    Contrary to what some may think, I don't "demand acceptance." I just want to be left alone to do what I'd like. No one has to OC, I don't look down upon anyone who doesn't want to, just don't tell me that I can't and/or shouldn't.
     
  2. Merkelman

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    Can anyone give me one rational argument as to why open carry is preferential to CC other than your personal comfort, or satisfy some mis-guided need to massage your ego or demonstrate to the general public that you are a poster-boy for why guns should be regulated.
    CC gives us everything we need to protect ourselves, our loved ones, and our possessions. Open carry sends a bad message,and is a threat to our rights.
    IMO OC is only for the insecure and those that are not smart enough to understand the repurcussions!!
     
  3. Richbaker

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    IMO, Merkleman, you are a troll....have a good OC day...
     
  4. Merkelman

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    As a follow-up, I,m 62 years young and have never seen a time in my life when there were more gun choices and ammo of all kinds.Great progress has been made in the Courts to assure our rights.OC will do more to reverse those gains than anything else!
     
  5. Merkelman

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    Isn't it great to call someone a troll, rather than address the issue!:banghead:
     
  6. LKB3rd

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    The entire thread has been addressing the issue.
     
  7. Prepster

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    Merkelman, the reason why Richbaker called you a troll is because all you did was wildly speculate about random reasons why people might want to OC (in a fairly disrespectful way), and at the same time demand a logical response. You hardly addressed the issue yourself. If you only want to CC, that's fine, but there's no need to heckle the OC community with rude remarks. I encourage you to take a part in the debate (that's what this forum is for), but please do so in a constructive and respectful way.
     
  8. shimniok

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    This has been a fascinating thread! Thanks all of those that had good insights to share.

    I realize the thread was originally a post responding to the various arguments typically raised against OC. I think some of the discussion turned to OC vs CC for various situations (which is interesting too, and probably a valid question for those who carry to think about). But it's an incredibly complex question because of the myriad scenarios possible, with different implications for OC and CC.

    Many of the discussion points seem to be based on evaluating OC (or CC, or comparing) against one particular example scenario. I think it'd be more helpful to look at it a bit more methodically. Analyzing the merits of OC, or comparing OC vs CC, and nearly impossible without having some kind of framework to list/model the different scenarios and evaluate for each.

    I think it'd be more helpful to look at all the various classes or types of scenarios and evaluating OC and CC benefits/downsides for each. It's also useful to talk in terms of probabilities to see what are the top most likely types of scenarios so one can decide how best to prepare.

    Probably hard to do this on a forum, though.

    For me, I can picture situations where OC would be a deterrent and would cause the perp to go elswhere. I can also think of situations where OC wouldn't be a deterrent and may actually also be a detriment. The question isn't whether these situations exist, but how likely each is--- and what situations they are, so one could decide when it is most likely advantageous to OC versus CC.

    As for my own situation, thinking through the risks, the place I live, the places I go, and the ability to fairly easily avoid fairly high risk situations, I find there is no compelling need to carry concealed; however, it isn't difficult to imagine times when it would be wise, but the need hasn't been pressing / frequent enough to pursue.

    However, there are situations I am in when I will do OC (while out camping in some cases) but this thread has given me a lot to think about in terms of doing OC more consistently when traveling / in the back country.

    By contrast, where I grew up is less safe (I can point to a bullet hole in my parent's car as one data point of many). They enacted a law exonerating people who shot carjackers due to the rash of these crimes that resulted in victims being shot dead. I would have a different answer for OC or CC in that town.

    And I think that's what this is all about -- doing your own risk analysis of the situation and deciding what ways to mitigate the risks, CC and OC being two options available to many of us. As long as you do the risk analysis in a fairly methodical way, and if you can successfully avoid the myriad biases humans tend to succumb to, you'll probably make a good choice.

    Michael
     
  9. MT GUNNY

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    Merkelman said:
    I believe Open Carry takes our 2nd Amendment rights to an extreme and unnecessary level!"

    That would have been enough! But you had to add:

    "The last thing we need is a bunch of red-neck knuckle draggers running around brandishing guns!!! If you want to prove to the anti's that gun owners are all radical skin-heads then support open carry."

    And then in response to another post you say:

    "Isn't it great to call someone a troll, rather than address the issue!"

    Here is what I say to you : Practice what you preach!!!!!!!!
     
  10. MT GUNNY

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    Merkelman said:
    I believe Open Carry takes our 2nd Amendment rights to an extreme and unnecessary level!"

    On a more serious Note Id like to comment on this phrase.

    What about Hunters,they OC all day long. Another situation is gun racks with rifles in them all day long. How is this any different than Carrying a pistol on your belt?

    Farmers and Ranchers constantly OC?
     
  11. Richbaker

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    Prepster hit it on the nose.....I'm sick and tired of people like Mman who just want to be obnoxious and arrogant jerks!
     
  12. Richbaker

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    Merkleman, you have 15 posts, and every one I have seen has been extremely disrespectful and, hate-filled..... I say that spells TROLL.
     
  13. Deltaboy1984

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    I hope we get oc in Texas real soon. :)
     
  14. jahwarrior

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    dorkelman, you fail to understand that concealed carry requires a permit or a license. notice the word "PERMIT", if you will. you're being permitted to conceal a weapon, so, technically, it's not a right; it's a privilege. in other words, if have a conceal carry permit, you went and asked permission from your local government to do something that's your right, and paid them to do it, as well. how foolish do you feel?

    i have my license because in PA, having a gun in a vehicle is considered concealed, and i drive a bit. also, the winters here aren't conducive to open carry. so, i got a license so i can drive with a gun, and wear a heavy coat with a gun.

    i'm rather secure with myself, and my ego does fine without stroking. i'm that way whether or not i'm armed, because, well, i've gotten my wife pregnant quite a bit, and she hasn't minded at all. if people carrying guns openly bothers you, maybe it's an issue you should take up with a therapist. you know, you don't have to suffer. they have pills for your condition now!
     
  15. 7.62X25mm

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    "Appropriate context" --

    You know you can probably get through the door of the opera wearing a bikini, but people are going to point and stare.

    Open carry is legal here, and I do it when it's 'in context." If I'm on my way to a camping trip, hunting, fishing, that's in context. Most people locally don't think twice about that sort of context -- even the store manager of Safeway, who is a CA transplant, has few problems with open carry in his grocery. (We're in a rural area where it's common to see hunters in cammo with a rifle over their shoulder because they don't want to leave it unsecured in the open top Jeep.)

    Open carry to a Fourth of July picnic in the city park? Maybe legal, but it's rude, inconsiderate, and "confrontational."

    The simple fact that this thread is running seven pages demonstrates that open carry is controversial behavior.
     
  16. jahwarrior

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    how exactly is OC any of these things?
     
  17. loneviking

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    How? Because it's a crowded park! Right or wrong, folks often have a good reason to be quite worried when they see someone open armed in that sort of context. How many incidents has there been in this country where somebody walked into a (fill in the blank) and opened fire?

    You're also going to have a tough time keeping that sidearm from bumping into people as well. There's little kids that are going to be about the height of where your gun is that can be scared because of it--and yes, because their family doesn't own or shoot.

    I don't like some of the reactions to open carry that are out there. I sometimes wish things were different. And things can, gradually, become more friendly to OC IF we who carry do so sensibly.
     
  18. Art Eatman

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    Seven pages of 'round and 'round and 'round--and too much personal stuff.

    Think it over. Re-read. Think some more. Then, maybe, put a cogent argument together for a later re-start.
     
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