Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Shortgrub, Jan 21, 2021.
Nice sets you have there too.
I'd like to see a picture of the hammer shield. Please.
Here ya go Warden.
Here's some more photos posted by 45 Dragoon along with descriptions in posts #2 through #9 in this thread. --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/action-shield.874575/#post-11632053
Notice how it curls upward in the bottom photo.
I couldn't see how it was designed until he posted these photos.
Does it work?
I can see where it may keep cap fragments out of the action. But the fragments will still be in hammer slot.
How did it handle caps?
Yes, it works. It keeps fouling out of the action as well as fragments. The curl at the end keeps fragments out of the action and keeps presenting them for removal (turn the revolver upside down). The one in the picture was for demonstration, that one wouldn't fit in the revolver. It's a big hit with my CAS customers.
This one showing a smashed cap that will stay on the shield (and out of the action) until the cap is "dumped".
I've looked at that hole left by a standard ham and thought about filling it with something. Gets me to thinking..
I reveived the taps! Thank you very much!
When tapping the steel trigger guard to add an action stop...i found that for some reason the steel used by pietta for his two guns was harder than usual. I broke a couple taps trying to install action stops...even used tons of high quality sulfur based drilling oil. Never broken a tap as i go slow and easy and clean out the bits of steel/brass as i go. But this steel was very very hard. When i work on guns i dont expect reimbursement for tools that get used up...but mr.shortgrub was kind enough to send me some extra taps as a "tip" for the work i did. THANK YOU SIR!! it was very much appreciated and will go to good use!
I haven't shot mine yet but from what I've read and seen via "capandball" youtube channel is that the originals had much stiffer hammer springs which helped prevent blowback etc. My original army and navies have very strong mainsprings. I haven't been brave enough to try to shoot mine yet but I hope to at some point.
You ought to shoot them. No one will thank you for not shooting them, after you are dead. Yesterday I put a dozen rounds through a long rifle that's been in the family since 1845.
I'm not big on the light main-spring thing...seems to be the rage, and the SAS shooters seem to like them, and the makers and smiths seem to be catering to it, some say a light spring is better for the nipples, (which are easily replaced) but yes, I've seen the hammers blowing back on two revolvers I've shot recently. One had a very light spring, this '62 has a somewhat stiffer one, but it tends to blow back, although the first and one time I've shot it was with a slug, which was making a little more pressure than a ball. If it blows back with 15-18 grains and a ball, I'll be frustrated for sure.
I'd rather have/buy a pistol that has a too heavy main spring, and lighten it up, than a weak one that has to be replaced, miss-fires, and lets the hammer blow back.
Well, it may not be everyone's "cup o tea" but typically, a "tuned" revolver is one that functions smoother, easier, with precision, is 100% reliable which "normally" means it has lightened springs because it takes less tension than the stock tension for that part to do its intended job. The higher tensioned springs tend to mask flaws in the factory version of the revolver. Therefore, a tuned revolver isn't less "manly" because it doesn't have "strong" or "heavy" springs, it means it will work longer, faster, with less work from the shooter and with much more mechanical precision . . . which will put a much bigger smile on the shooters face.
As far as use in a shooting sport where speed is a factor, lighter actions tend to be faster than heavy actions. Thumbing an 8 lb. hammer five times means you're moving 40lbs rather than 20lbs. with a 4 lb. hammer . . . at the end of the day with a lot of shooting, one thumb will have a lot more wear than the other . . . not to mention if the thumbs in question have arthritis . . . you don't HAVE to have heavy springs, you can if you want.
As far as blowback through the nipple, that's what the cap post is there for. Blowback can't push a hammer back past the cap post. As bad as it may or may not seem, that is where cap guns are today. None are "competition" ready or "dead nuts" reliable with longivity out of the box . . . but they all can be made to be.
Comparing original examples to todays offerings is futile without original style caps (since that seems to be the biggest complaint). We have what we have and for the most part, the best offerings today are superior to the originals . . . just as cars today are far superior to the originals.
In the end, you don't have to have a Rolex to tell time, some appreciate the work that makes them possible though . . . most will never know or understand.
I've ask some of the fastest shooters in the sport what weight springs they use. All use nearly factory weight springs. I'm guessing for reliable function but also for fast lock time. They shoot so fast they can't wait for the hammer to fall slowly.
Last summer Missouri Lefty (one of the top shooters in the sport) shot at our range. We were on the same posse. I shoot video of our matches so I put together one with us shooting one on one. I'm shooting a Remington Whitmore Lifter 10 gauge, two Colt SAA in 38WCF (one made in 1906, the other in 1996) and antique Marlin 1894 38WCF that I rebuilt from junk. The air was dead calm and nearly 100% humidity. Enjoythe smoke!
I can also attest to the action job without lightening the spring making a Big difference; my Walker that I sent you, was almost impossible to cock single handed before I sent it to you and I was amazed when you said that you didn't lighten the mainspring as I was easily able to single hand cock the pistol after I got it back. EXCELLENT WORK!
CAS shooters can get light sprung actions and win State championships (my revolvers have won championships with Colt, Remington and Ruger platforms). A fast lock time is most important for punching paper rather than movement from target to target where fast, smooth "movement" is important. Maybe some cowboy's don't really know what is needed . . . anyway, just some food for thought.
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