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The pinko liberal, the fudd, the joo, etc.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Oleg Volk, Mar 2, 2007.

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  1. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

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    How about a moment for reflection? Is our goal to fluff our own feathers and make all "outsiders" feel bad about being them...or would making them all welcome be a better plan? If you rag on the "fudds", would people who would have stayed for a chat prefer to leave instead, confirmed in their initial disdain for the EBR fetishists? Antis "divide and rule"? Bah! We are doing it to ourselves without much of their help.
     
  2. JCF

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    Exactly right. We absolutely need to abort this type of exclusionary and alienating behavior. It is a severe detriment to our cause.
     
  3. bogie

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    It's not like the culture isn't already fragmented... We could be the strongest political force in the WORLD if we'd just get it together.
     
  4. Juna

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    Well said, Oleg. I have to admit, I initially found it hard to not get all fired up by some of the blatantly ignorant and inflammatory stuff I've read posted by antis on the internet & seen on the news. But now I realize that the only way to either open their minds/convert them or to be the better group taking the higher road is to be more open to calm discussion with them without getting all offensive immediately. This will help us illustrate our points of view for them and maybe, just maybe open a few minds.
     
  5. 3rdpig

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    My problem with the true Fudds goes way back, all the way back to 1994. And by a Fudd I mean someone that, like the Russian stories of riding in a sled being pursued by wolves, picks out the weakest member and tosses them out in a bid to save their own skin. Or in this case their own favorite weapon types.

    I haven't hunted for 25 years and I'm guessing I'll probably never do it again except out of utter necessity. But I support hunters rights. On the other hand the Fudds don't support my rights. But even worse, they're willing to "toss me off the sled" to protect themselves. Don't doubt it, that's what was on Zumbo's mind and mind of many other people who only own guns to hunt. They did it in 94, I remember them all too well, and they'll do it again if given the opportunity. Even Bill Ruger put his boot on our backsides and gave us a push. They're just too shortsighted to realize that the anti gunners won't be satisfied with AR's and AK's, as soon as those are gone their hunting rifles, or should I say "long range sniper rifles" will be next.

    This is what Zumbo planned. He picked what he thought was the weakest group, the most evil looking, the ones most wanted by the wolves and least able to defend themselves, and started the process of tossing us off. But unlike 1994, we're not the weakest group anymore, we may be the strongest. Instead of tossing us off, he, shocked to the core of his being, found it was himself laying in the snow waiting for death. In this case, fiscal death.

    But that being said. I'm done with Zumbo. His latest apology (which by the way clearly shows what his original intentions were) is enough. I say Welcome Back Jim! But after apology must come atonement. Help me and those like me support ALL of our gun rights and I'll forgive and won't write any more emails.

    But understand just because I've forgiven doesn't mean I've forgotten. I'm watching you and the other Fudds. I won't be tossed off the sled again so easily.
     
  6. cslinger

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    I have been saying the same thing on other forums. We need to unite not divide. We need to bring current gun owners of all types into the fold as well as new people. We are stronger then we know. We just need to come together.
     
  7. Travis Lee

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    3rdpig, I completely concur!

    We were sold out by the "sport-shooters", like Petzal, in 1994, and Zumbo's blog article was him addressing his fellow "respectable" shooters to get set to do it to us again.

    Zumbo felt that "his people" should cast us out of the "respectable shooting fraternity"..... he wanted to divorce "our kind", and "his kind".... well, he got it.
    He tried to flip us out of the sled, but we grew up since 1994, and Zumbo just got...old.

    I have about as much regret over what happened to Zumbo, as I would, if I had called police on a drunken old man who was driving on a rampage through my neighborhood, chasing children and running over dogs..... and the old man got busted, fined, and lost his car and license.

    Zumbo's apologies have been less than convincing to me.... and Zumbo's employers, and sponsors decided that our goodwill is more important to them than that of the "hunters".

    I thought that Nugent was being charitable in supporting Zumbo.... but it seems he heaps scorn upon anyone who isn't lining up behind HIM and drinking Nugent flavored Kool-Aid.

    I didn't fancy being called a terrorist, and I don't care for being called "lunatic fringe cannibal" or "hippie turd chewing bubba drunkass" by Nugent.

    Nugent had best quit poking us with a stick, we can poke back.

    --Travis--
     
  8. Nasty Jack

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    Mao Tse Tung -- pretty far to the left, notes:

    "Politcal power grows out of the barrel of a gun." -- Selected Works, 1965, Vol. II, p. 224.

    Being myself a bit to the left of Mao, I have a "gun room" and a collection that would likely embarrass most here, to include a small cannon.

    Don't lets be harping about "pinko liberal." GOP lost that last election. :neener:
     
  9. Nightcrawler

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    Oleg is right. Why are we still talking about this? Just let it go, I say. We flexed our muscle, and the next so-called gun writer that expresses similar sentiments will get similar results.

    In the mean time, I honestly wish we could get as much mobilization and effort into fighting HR 1022. Zumbo calls us names, he's fired in four days. HR 1022 tries to ban everything Zumbo looked down on and then some, and the first thing is "can I keep my AR-15?".

    Come ON, guys. Priorities, right? I say funnel all of the effort that went into gnashing of teeth at Zumbo into hammering our legislators with letters, calls, petitions, and e-mails. Ten thousand Zumbos can't do as much damage to us a couple hundred Congressman.
     
  10. Brian Dale

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    It's simple.

    Do you want to win, or do you want to lose?

    Decide now.
     
  11. Guntalk

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    >>It's simple.

    Do you want to win, or do you want to lose?

    Decide now.<<

    Interesting. Almost 10 years ago I was writing that in Guns & Ammo magazine. I think what I said was that there has always been a small group gun owners who are more concerned with fighting than with winning.

    Blunt force certainly has a place in politics, but so do sophistication, slight-of-hand, misdirection, moves which might even seem counterproductive.

    An example of the last item: Voting in favor of a the worst version of a really bad gun control bill, in committee, in order to make it so bad that it could not possibly pass on the floor. The elected official then is bombarded with cries of "You SOB! You voted for that gun control bill." When, in reality, he was making sure it came out of committee in a form that could not be passed.

    And that's one of more simple examples.
     
  12. redneck2

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    I guess sometimes it's difficult to determine one's true motives. If a legislator has been A+ for 20 years, then suddenly seems to jump ship, one should ponder a reply long enough to figure out the true motives.

    My biggest peeve are the chimps here that post "every congresscritter is an idiot" type remarks. I worked on the campaign for our local congressman after shooting with him at a sporting clays event. Since he was an "evil" Republican", he went down in flames. We now have liberal Dem that's probably going to support the AWB. Congrats to the members here that wanted to get even with GWB. That's what you voted for, and that's what you got.
     
  13. Travis McGee

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    Seems to me that Fudd One, speaking for Fudds generally, called us terrorists, and called for a ban on our weapons.

    The reaction should not be a surprise.
     
  14. NukemJim

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    The internet gun community has shown it has teeth ( Ask Zumbo ).
    Lets show them that we also have heart and mind in being willing to forgive Zumbo ( he has apologized and is trying to correct his mistake) and mind in knowing when to stop attacking and start helping.

    NukemJim
     
  15. qajaq59

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    Stick together

    A rifle is a rifle, period. The bullets don't care what color the rifle is. And a semi auto is no more dangerous then a single shot in the right hands. All the antis do is try and split us up so each of us becomes an easy target.
    If there is a type of rifle you don't like then don't buy it, but make sure you protect the guys that do, because your rifle is going to be next on the ban list after theirs is gone.
    There is no such thing as giving up a "Little" freedom.
     
  16. SteveS

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    I thought he was speaking for himself? The fact that he "resigned" from OL, which I doubt has many non-hunting readers, certainly shows that he speaks for a very small group.

    Oleg, I agree with you. I have seen plenty of justified anger and some non-high road behavior.
     
  17. Leatherneck

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    Back on Oleg's original topic, it's been my observation that calling a person with whom you don't agree, or whom you don't like, etc, seldom makes you appear smart.

    TC
     
  18. Shadan7

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    What Leatherneck said. And it isn't terribly "High Road", either.

    Note my post number - low, right? Note my sign-on date (which was at least a year after I had been hanging out here as a visitor). Now, I'm not generally the type to keep my mouth shut when I have something to contribute. But I gotta admit, as someone who is an independent but decidedly left-of-center on many things (and right on some others), the hostility to liberals (even 40-year gun-owning ones like myself) turns me off in a big way. And it needlessly alienates a whole lot of gun owners - people who are your natural allies, and maybe even more effective at controling the 'gun-grabbers' in an environment where Dems are likely to do well in coming years.

    I've long believed that a united front on the part of gun owners should be non-partisan. There's no better way to protect our gun rights than to take it out of the political interests of one party or the other to support it. Restoring the RKBA as a broad-based *American* ideal is the way to go.

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  19. feedthehogs

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    Lets all sit around the camp fire and sing cumbaya and then have a group hug while they take our guns away from us.

    The name calling should stop, but the intent behind it should not wean.
     
  20. Pilgrim

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    It seems to me the intent of this whole Zumbo affair is to make sure whoever replaces him at Outdoor Life will either be friendly towards EBR owners, or at least have the sense to keep his mouth shut if he isn't. I think that has been accomplished.

    I don't see anything useful will come from pursuing Zumbo all over the place reminding everyone of his 'sin'. If he wants to redeem himself by joining our 'side', then let him. His actions will speak for themselves.

    Pilgrim
     
  21. Tommygunn

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    I can understand your sentiments, Shadan7, we should keep together. The problem I have with your statement (not you) is that, while it doesn't surprise me that there are liberals who own guns and support gun rights, every time I look up and there's some new antigun law being proposed, the majority of the time it's a liberal pushing the law. It's liberal McCarthy from NY who's behind H.R. 1022. Bill Clinton pushed the 94 ban through. FDR and his ilk were behind the NFA of 1934.
    I'm not saying republicans/conservatives/..."neo":barf: conservatives are terrific on this; look at Giuliani, McCain, and some other reputedly "right-wingers".
    While this is a gun forum, the fact is there are other political issues, such as health care, education, taxes, etc. In most of these issues I consider the left wing of this country (the Pelosis, Ted Kennedys, Feinsteins, et al), my mortal enemies (politically speaking). While I welcome the fact that any liberal would support the second amendment, I do see it as ... "making for strange bedfellows,"... as the old saying goes. It strikes me as a jarring dichotomy that a liberal supports gun ownership when so many seem bound and determined to diminish and erode our rights and liberties (again, not saying they're are no repukes who will do the same).
    It just causes me a wee bit of schizophrenia ... is all;) :eek: :D
     
  22. Brian Dale

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    I'm not being sarcastic here: it will make for strange bedfellows, and I recommend that we all get used to it.

    That's what we want. :cool:
     
  23. Sharps-shooter

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    Liberal, schmiberal, that's what I say. It doesn't matter to the 2a question where someone else stands on any other issue. It only matters whether they are pro-gun or anti-gun rights. As far as the gun question goes, It makes no difference where someone stands on abortion, homosexuality, white supremacy, social security, or freedom of religion.

    Maybe I'm a hippie. Maybe I have hair so long I can sit on it, a big bushy beard, wear tie-dyed home-made clothes, and practice the religion of the ancient druids. None of this is relevant to 2A. What is relevant is that I own guns. I give thousands every year to the gun industry, and I teach young people how to hunt. My family owned guns when they were prohibited to us (before they came to this country), and have plans to continue owning them if they are ever outlawed here.

    Decades ago, say in the thirties and early forties, white supremacy was considered part of the Democratic "package deal"-- those values which are not necessarily part of the party's platform, but are associated with it-- especially in the south. Now, that has changed. I would like to see a political change by which gun control is no longer a part of the "package deal" for Democratic party values. I think that attitudes have changed a lot in the past decade at the grassroots level, so that a great number of the liberal and even hippie type people that I am aware of have taken a liking to guns, including semiautos (this is in a historically gun-friendly area).

    If people like that could get on the horn to their political representatives, and let them know that they aren't interested in gun control anymore, that could make a big difference in how politicians act. Of course, these things often change at a ground level long before they change at a political representation level.
     
  24. Mortech

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    I know what you mean Guntalk , I believe the term is called 'poisoning the well' in politics . Most people here don't know that the conservatives in congress did that to alot of the bills that were offered during Clintons tenure . I find political machinations interesting and challeging as watching a chess match between masters . Unfortunately too many of the gun fraternity are very quick to fly off the handle and instead of watching , analyzing the situation and applying the proper 'leverage' to resolve the issue .
     
  25. .cheese.

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    "the joo"? :rolleyes:

    - The Economist (who is wearing his yarmulke)
     
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