Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by If1HitU, Oct 15, 2017.
Lots of handguns that I think are ugly, un-safe or un-reliable and I will not have one of them. Lots of folks have different opinions on those guns than I.
But, you never know what might show up or change my mind.
like me would inevitably eventually load a 9X19MM round into a 380, then
b'dee,b'dee, that's all folks!
However, I know I'd pass on a S&W 645 or 4506 and the ilk, since I already know I'd have better luck throwing them ata target than shooting them
I really can't see buying anything chambering 9x18--but, that's more to do with keeping track of 9x17 and 9x19 being more than enough wor already. Used to feel that way about 7.62x25, but I have mellowed--but it really depends on "what in?"
I used to have an aversion to Star and Astra--but, I've mellowed on those as well. None have caught my eye, but, I'm no longer skipping right over them, either.
CZ makes high quality, high value firearms. I love them. Perhaps you have never used one or maybe you got a lemon but they are highly regarded by most firearms enthusiasts.
Any of the "junk" gun level stuff (Lorcin, Raven, Jiminez, Jennings, etc). Other than that though I'm fairly open.
Probably never a Colt Python just because of cost reasons, though I'd love to have one .
It leaves a lot. Definitely no Hi Points. I like cheap and expensive guns, but there's a lower limit and Hi Point is below that line.
A bunch of S&W pre lock revolvers. S&W 3rd Gen Semiautos. CZ's and clones all steel and polymer both. Metal Sigs and Sig clones.
A bunch of TDA polymer guns, I LIKE DA/SA, not crazy about DAO, but I do like DAK.
I see no 1911's in my future. I do see a SIg P226 in all stainless, maybe a P229 too, along with a CZ P-07, an SP-01, a P01, and probably a stainless CZ-75. Some clones too. The Turkish ones are a great bargain. An S&W 29 or 629 (Pre lock, I have no use for locks), and probably a 686 too. If S& got rid of their locks, I would maybe buy something from them.
In rifles, probably a Rossi r92, or maybe some other .357 lever action, whatever it is, it's got to have the loading gate. Leaves Henry out. Maybe a fancy AR some day, but my PSA cheapie works well.
But to be honest, I'm getting close to having almost all the guns I really really wanted to have. A few from the above list and I'll be done for the most part. I wouldn't turn down a super deal though.
Whaaaaaaaaaatttttt?!?!? The 645 and 4506 are great guns! I'd take a 2nd or 3rd gen SW over any plastic toy gun made nowadays...and have (645,4566,3913,5906,39).
No Haterade, though, Capn, I find myself in agreement with most of your posts brother.
As far as the Spaniards go, the Firestar series are interesting guns, as were the Model B and its derivatives. I currently own an Astra A600 and it is weirdly fantastic- sure gets a lot of attention at the range. Kinda thinking about grabbing a Constable at the LGS. Never had a Llama, but my Dad has a nice WW1 vintage Ruby, which must be the most overbuilt .32 ever!
Not a problem.
They are fine weapons.
Just not for me.
Some people can't shoot a full-size 1911 with arched mainspring--and I can do that better than I can point my finger at things.
With those smith autos, I'm better off pulling a Superman and just throwing them. Sigh.
Combo response to rejection of .380 and Beretta: I own a Beretta "Cheetah" in .380. The da trigger is light and smooth , really nice. In some auto-loaders the first trigger pull in da is almost a matter of dumping the first round so that you can then get on with business. Not so the Beretta. I would never part with it , OR my Walther PPK (.380).
As to 3rd generation S&W semi autos , my 5906 points quite naturally and is extremely reliable. Too heavy to carry concealed , sure , but a pleasure to shoot and great for home security.
What I will not have in my collection:
-Ruger SP101. Really wanted one for it's stout construction and styling , got one , could not put on target. Not so nice trigger , pointed like a brick. Tried front sight upgrade , dry shot a kajillion times , spent a lot of money on grips , all to no avail. Sorry to the many folks who like that popular revolver , but it bombed out for me.
-Any S&W with the blankety blank internal lock. No sense making my case on that point as it has been hashed out ad infinitum.
-Taurus. Had 2 bad Rossi revolvers , can't see any point in rolling the dice on a Taurus. Guilt by association perhaps , but ... Besides , most , if not all Tauruses (Tauri?) are copies of something else ; I'd rather have the original.
-Glock. Butt ugly , cannot bear trigger safeties.
-Alloy version of an all steel design. Example , S&W alloy 6906 , the lightened version of the ss 5906. Had the 6906 , again - hard for me to put it on target. Acquired the original 5906 , pointed and balanced naturally as mentioned above , bye bye 6906. I think a steel design is negatively affected in terms of handling characteristics by conversion to alloy
-Polymer anything. Light for carry , sure , but no joy to shot in .38 sp. , crazy bad recoil in 357 Magnum and , in most cases , just ugly. (see my Glock bash.) Real guns are made of metal , in my opinion.
I own no Smith and Wessons. Nor Berettas. Nor 308's. Nor Glocks.
Just haven't found any that tripped my fancy.
In revolvers it's a Judge. Big, clumsy thing that would fill no purpose for me.
I figured the first comment was just someone trolling for replies, but with two people posting this sentiment, I'm curious what went wrong to make y'all feel this way? My CZs are the most accurate and reliable pistols I've owned.
Seeing as Mr. Hackathorn hasn't personally surveyed each and every European citizen, I'd chalk that up as one man's opinion, which could be colored by who he spoke to on the matter. I am far from a "true believer" in Jeff Cooper's teachings, but many hold him in high regard, and he felt that the CZ 75 was "the world's best service nine" (at that time). So that's another man's opinion.
I've never shot a CZ to my remembrance. I have one on my current wish list though, because I like the design. What is bad about them? How is it that they are compared to Rugers? Not to start a flamefest... but I would like to know.
Regarding the OP, all of the above (and below) according to my sweetie-pie !
Yeah I don't like DA/SA autos in general, but my dad has a P90 .45 ACP and it is accurate and reliable, and built like a tank. He thinks very highly of it.
I handled a CZ SP-01 the other day on a whim and I have to say, it fit my hand better than anything I've ever held. If it shoots half as good as it feels, it would be a keeper at twice the modest price they asked for it.
Better for what? Despite the age, many believe it is the best combat pistol around. Although I spent 27 yrs in the Army, I never engaged in CQB so I can not speak from personal experience. If you belong to the "spray and pray " school then I think you are correct. But from the various companies manufacturing knockoffs, seems like many might disagree with you. I bet your quote will generate some discussion.
I'll agree on the CZ52, but my CZ 75s and 82s are some of the best pistols ever produced.
Any .410 handgun. Any sub-14 ounce .380 pistol.
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